Striker situation

West Upper Seagull · Sep 15, 2017

I don't feel Hemed even puts in the work rate to close down defenders when they have the ball, he just ambles around while in contrast you see Gross putting in much more effort to close their players down. Murray is again far superior in defending from the front as well as his hold up play.

bhawoddy · Sep 15, 2017

He certainly wasn't the worst tonight. Difficult to play up front v 4 defenders with little to no support for the majority of the game. Championship tactics will not work in the prem IMO.

doogie004 · Sep 15, 2017

S'hampton Seagull said:
Any more bleating about this is tiresome. We can't change it until Jan so CH will need to come up with something to minimise the issue. Strikers were not why we lost tonight anyhow

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Strikers score goals . Strikers with pace terrorise the back four and keep them on there toes that's what I just watched anyway we might not be able to do anything about it but feel for hughton as he has one arm tied behind his back

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DarrenFreemansPerm · Sep 15, 2017

Striker scores a goal but it's papering over the cracks that he can't score goals. Lol.

Justice · Sep 15, 2017

I really feel for Chris he must be mad we didn't sign some quality up front. Don't want to reopen old wounds but it will cost us eventually.

Weststander · Sep 15, 2017

Seagull4Ever said:
I don't feel Hemed even puts in the work rate to close down defenders when they have the ball, he just ambles around while in contrast you see Gross putting in much more effort to close their players down. Murray is again far superior in defending from the front as well as his hold up play.

TH has never been mobile, that's just him and he has a fruitless role against entire PL defences on his own. Only target men of the rare quality of Shearer and Drogba could manage that.

bWize · Sep 15, 2017

Justice said:
I really feel for Chris he must be mad we didn't sign some quality up front. Don't want to reopen old wounds but it will cost us eventually.

Like you say, don't want to open old wounds but Chris Wood would have been perfect for this current team. Real shame it didn't happen.

He is exactly the type of striker we need at the moment. Direct, knows exactly where the goal is and feeds very well off a midfield setup like ours.

S'hampton Seagull · Sep 15, 2017

doogie004 said:
Strikers score goals . Strikers with pace terrorise the back four and keep them on there toes that's what I just watched anyway we might not be able to do anything about it but feel for hughton as he has one arm tied behind his back

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I KNOW THAT. There isn't much we can do about it now though is there? I wanted another striker as much as anyone else (and we may pay the price for it) but any more moaning about it is a complete waste of oxygen

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West Upper Seagull · Sep 15, 2017

S'hampton Seagull said:
Any more bleating about this is tiresome. We can't change it until Jan so CH will need to come up with something to minimise the issue. Strikers were not why we lost tonight anyhow

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I agree that strikers aren't the reason we lost tonight, but in terms of Hemed's individual performance take a look at a replay of their second goal tonight and Hemed's positioning from the moment the corner is taken and his movement. Another player could have comfortably prevented that goal.

Farehamseagull · Sep 15, 2017

We all know we're two strikers short but Hemed isn't the main problem we have up front. We know what we're going to get from him, he's limited but he'll run all game, hold the ball up and chip in with the odd goal. He's an excellent squad player for us.

The bigger problems are that Baldock is a serial crock and Murray looks patently off the pace of the game and past it.

As has been said on here numerous times already, our recruitment team made a massive error in not bringing in at least one striker in the summer. We've just got to hope we scrape enough points before January with goals from other areas to give us a chance of staying up.

Not Andy Naylor · Sep 15, 2017

Farehamseagull said:
We all know we're two strikers short but Hemed isn't the main problem we have up front. We know what we're going to get from him, he's limited but he'll run all game, hold the ball up and chip in with the odd goal. He's an excellent squad player for us.

The bigger problems are that Baldock is a serial crock and Murray looks patently off the pace of the game and past it.

As has been said on here numerous times already, our recruitment team made a massive error in not bringing in at least one striker in the summer. We've just got to hope we scrape enough points before January with goals from other areas to give us a chance of staying up.

Sadly, finding a striker will be even more difficult and/or expensive in January. But we already knew that.

bWize · Sep 15, 2017

Not Andy Naylor said:
Sadly, finding a striker will be even more difficult and/or expensive in January. But we already knew that.

It has to happen, regardless... The price of dropping down to the Championship far exceeds the outlay for 1 or 2 proven strikers in January.

Deleted member 2719 · Sep 15, 2017

Seagull4Ever said:
I don't feel Hemed even puts in the work rate to close down defenders when they have the ball, he just ambles around while in contrast you see Gross putting in much more effort to close their players down. Murray is again far superior in defending from the front as well as his hold up play.

Hemed worked his nuts off tonight. Have you been drinking

Not Andy Naylor · Sep 15, 2017

Farehamseagull said:
We all know we're two strikers short but Hemed isn't the main problem we have up front. We know what we're going to get from him, he's limited but he'll run all game, hold the ball up and chip in with the odd goal. He's an excellent squad player for us.

The bigger problems are that Baldock is a serial crock and Murray looks patently off the pace of the game and past it.

As has been said on here numerous times already, our recruitment team made a massive error in not bringing in at least one striker in the summer. We've just got to hope we scrape enough points before January with goals from other areas to give us a chance of staying up.

Sadly, finding a striker will be even more difficult and/or expensive in January. But we already knew that.

Weststander · Sep 15, 2017

Arundel_Seagull said:
It has to happen, regardless... The price of dropping down to the Championship far exceeds the outlay for 1 or 2 proven strikers in January.

There will be no time for being scientifically picky about 'value'. The investment in striker/s will be critical if TB wants a club with enough future income to start to repay him his £290m. Otherwise we'll go back to being one of fifteen entitled clubs in the Championship lottery.

Brightonfan1983 · Sep 15, 2017

Not Andy Naylor said:
Sadly, finding a striker will be even more difficult and/or expensive in January. But we already knew that.

As long as he doesn't cost more than £84 million, it'll be worth it.

Edit: Sunderland got £99.9 million for finishing bottom. I stand corrected.

bWize · Sep 15, 2017

Weststander said:
There will be no time for being scientifically picky about 'value'. The investment in striker/s will be critical if TB wants a club with enough future income to start to repay him his £290m. Otherwise we'll go back to being one of fifteen entitled clubs in the Championship lottery.

Indeed.

seagulls4ever · Sep 15, 2017

Seagull4Ever said:
Hemed's goal last week papered over the cracks, he was a complete passenger tonight and if you watch the replay of their second goal - what the **** was he doing ! But what disturbs me the most is when the ball goes forward to him he really struggles to hold the ball up and protect it, and it comes straight back which puts us under more pressure. His lack of pace is the icing on the cake. I'm hoping Murray starts on Tuesday to get his match sharpness back and that he starts against Newcastle next week.

Strange post. Hemed played well tonight given the conditions, including holding up the ball and bringing others into play when he could. Murray, by contrast, has had nothing stick to him this season, which I've found frustrating to watch considering hold up play and winning balls in the air are meant to be strengths of his.

West Upper Seagull · Sep 15, 2017

seagulls4ever said:
Strange post. Hemed played well tonight given the conditions, including holding up the ball and bringing others into play when he could. Murray, by contrast, has had nothing stick to him this season, which I've found frustrating to watch considering hold up play and winning balls in the air are meant to be strengths of his.

I don't disagree with your comment on Murray, he's off the pace of the game at the moment as he's yet to play a full 90 mins - which is why I'm keen for him to get a good 90 mins under his belt on Tuesday to get that sharpness back that will help make him our first choice striker again.

dazzer6666 · Sep 15, 2017

Seagull4Ever said:
I don't feel Hemed even puts in the work rate to close down defenders when they have the ball, he just ambles around while in contrast you see Gross putting in much more effort to close their players down. Murray is again far superior in defending from the front as well as his hold up play.

Wow. He might not be a top, top striker but the last thing I would criticise is his work rate. Always gives 100% for the team. Thought he did well tonight, chasing, holding the ball up and a couple of very decent moments.

It's Murray that's looked by far the weaker striker so far for me. Seems to immediately resort to niggly fouls when he comes on and has contributed very little.

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