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    Dropping March?
    A hard decision: yes for his lack of crosses on Saturday, but no for the great tracking back.
    Mr Izquierdo has to have his chance sometime

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      The club approach isn't 'moneyball' as per the A's, it's just simple economics.

      Every step of the way. the club has lead us to believe Tony has been priced out of the relevant market, it found itself in.
      So the club has had to look elsewhere, in locations where the market is on a par with the Albion's buying expectations.
      I'm sure that I've read elsewhere that this ( Moneyball or similar ) is exactly the approach Albion take when looking at possible signings. If I recall it's along the same lines as Tony's business model for placing football bets using stats and alogrithms.
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      A hard decision: yes for his lack of crosses on Saturday, but no for the great tracking back.
      Mr Izquierdo has to have his chance sometime
      Is Mr Izquierdo any good defensively do we know ? I thought March and Suttner linked up well on Saturday
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      Mr Izquierdo has to have his chance sometime
      He does. Played well in his first 10 minutes and cost enough that our recruitment team must have expectations. Can he play alongside March if Knocky plays less well away from home? Or would he be better coming on after 65 minutes for now?
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      The club approach isn't 'moneyball' as per the A's, it's just simple economics.

      Every step of the way. the club has lead us to believe Tony has been priced out of the relevant market, it found itself in.
      So the club has had to look elsewhere, in locations where the market is on a par with the Albion's buying expectations.
      You can call it economics if you like, but it certainly isn't simple. It is about getting the best value out of your budget by using Star lizards analytics to find the bargain buys. This is not 12 rolls of toilet roll type bargains that your fingers may or may not go through when wiping, this is about finding better players than those available in the UK at a fraction of the price. Not a simple thing to do at all.

      Most obvious example is AK.
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      The Acquisition of Groß looks perfect MoneyBall, with his creative stats
      But why were the club scratching around the bottom of the Bundesliga?

      MoneyBall isn't just 'getting a player cheap'.
      It's all about overlooking the weaknesses that causes players to fail elsewhere, while noting their 'hidden' strengths and how those strengths can be developed and become compatible along side similar team mates.

      Gross doesn't have weaknesses that caused him to be given up on, his only weakness was he played for an unfashionable side playing at the wrong end of a league reliant on 2 teams.
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      Is Mr Izquierdo any good defensively do we know ?
      We don't know much, but in the 10 minutes against Watford he used great pace to track back and get a challenge in, so I'd say yes, probably.
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      Quote Originally Posted by KZNSeagull View Post
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      You can call it economics if you like, but it certainly isn't simple. It is about getting the best value out of your budget by using Star lizards analytics to find the bargain buys. This is not 12 rolls of toilet roll type bargains that your fingers may or may not go through when wiping, this is about finding better players than those available in the UK at a fraction of the price. Not a simple thing to do at all.

      Most obvious example is AK.
      Oh of course not, it's incredibly difficult, because of all the unknowns, hence the 'easy' option is spending more on a been there don't that, player.
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      But why were the club scratching around the bottom of the Bundesliga?

      MoneyBall isn't just 'getting a player cheap'.
      It's all about overlooking the weaknesses that causes players to fail elsewhere, while noting their 'hidden' strengths and how those strengths can be developed and become compatible along side similar team mates.

      Gross doesn't have weaknesses that caused him to be given up on, his only weakness was he played for an unfashionable side playing at the wrong end of a league reliant on 2 teams.
      You've given a very narrow definition of a "Moneyball" influenced approach...

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