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    The more I think about it the more stupid it is not to get a couple of decent strikers in £40m to protect £100m plus income, TB has to be raging. Barbers chatting bollocks, Hughton gets ****ed over in the PL again. Shambles you can't defend this shit.

    TB hires people to find players you really think he wanted to call DL in the dying minutes himself I would be thinking wtf am I paying you idiots for? Someone's getting sacked.
    That all depends on how much responsibility for this clusterf**k Tony takes on himself.

    I doubt he said in April:-
    'here's a suitcase of money, make sure you come back with 2 strikers'.

    Tony knew exactly what was (or to be precise wasn't) happening and when, and the shambles still happened.
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      In other words, I think it's a bit more complicated than that.
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      That all depends on how much responsibility for this clusterf**k Tony takes on himself.

      I doubt he said in April:-
      'here's a suitcase of money, make sure you come back with 2 strikers'.

      Tony knew exactly what was (or to be precise wasn't) happening and when, and the shambles still happened.
      If you own/run a company and the people you employ to do a job fall short the buck stops with you surely?

      Looking at this without emotion TB is the one who will suffer the most if our striker failure results in relegation. We might be pissed off, he will be millions out of pocket. I know which I'd prefer.
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      Parachute money:
      £48m 2018/19
      £37m 2019/20
      £17m 2020/21

      Bear in mind that the Albion were running £26m or more annual losses in the Championship and would now have PL scale wages on their books.
      I suspect the fact we have relegation clauses in our contracts (as opposed to the fiasco scenario in 83) is one reason why we were not quite as able to secure the marquee striker as we might have been had we gambled our future in a Cardiff-style shit or bust mind****....
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      Exactly.

      Also borne out by PB saying in his TV interview that "staying in the PL is everything".
      It may well be for PB, perhaps. It won't be for the club itself. I think we can yoyo comfortably if needs be in order to find a way of setting our unique club gyroscope so we can stay and thrive in the division. There is no one simple formula.

      My main fear is that a tough season with possible relegation may turn the JCLs (and the ground is awash with 20 somethings now, with craft beards and ludicrous trousers - far from the typical NSC demographich as we have just learned) with their unrealistic expectations and a sense of entitlement into moany numpties. Something tells me, however, that the Amex will remain nicely full this season, and my fears about 'supporter' meltdown and b**w****** will be unfounded.
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      I suspect the fact we have relegation clauses in our contracts (as opposed to the fiasco scenario in 83) is one reason why we were not quite as able to secure the marquee striker as we might have been had we gambled our future in a Cardiff-style shit or bust mind****....
      I have wondered this might the a problem in recruitment and a relegation clause in players contracts.

      Going back to the OP I also think this is an issue that the club's target is 17th and Premier survival it doesn't paint a positive picture to the staff and supporters. Smacks of desperation and the need for cash. While this might be the case sell yourselves publicly as we are aiming for mid table mediocrity and then push on year by year.
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      I have wondered this might the a problem in recruitment and a relegation clause in players contracts.

      Going back to the OP I also think this is an issue that the club's target is 17th and Premier survival it doesn't paint a positive picture to the staff and supporters. Smacks of desperation and the need for cash. While this might be the case sell yourselves publicly as we are aiming for mid table mediocrity and then push on year by year.
      Apologies - I had missed the club stating its ambition is 17th. When did that happen?
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      I have wondered this might the a problem in recruitment and a relegation clause in players contracts.

      Going back to the OP I also think this is an issue that the club's target is 17th and Premier survival it doesn't paint a positive picture to the staff and supporters. Smacks of desperation and the need for cash. While this might be the case sell yourselves publicly as we are aiming for mid table mediocrity and then push on year by year.
      Most of the rest of the teams in this division are just looking to just survive for another season, but you think we should be going for what? .... A European place? challenging for the title? ....?

      Why should we be any different to he rest of the also rans (ie, the Swansea, Stoke, Bournemouth, Watford, etc)
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      Apologies - I had missed the club stating its ambition is 17th. When did that happen?
      I'm sure it was at The Fans Forum that the realistic target was to avoid the bottom three and 17th be a great season.

      While I can understand this just be tad more positive in your goals, selling ourselves to prospective players as we are already in relegation dog fight before a ball has been kicked.
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      Most of the rest of the teams in this division are just looking to just survive for another season, but you think we should be going for what? .... A European place? challenging for the title? ....?

      Why should we be any different to he rest of the also rans (ie, the Swansea, Stoke, Bournemouth, Watford, etc)
      No, I'm a realist but sometimes the vibe coming out of the club needs to be more positive.

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