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Oct 8, 2003
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I've done some thinking about this. Just because it's labeled as "Gay Only" does that mean that straight men or women who enjoy going on holiday with gay men and women are excluded based on their stated preference of being hetero?

If not then it would appear nondiscriminating.

How does one certify their gayness? What keeps a person from lying about their sexual preference and stating after the holiday that they found no one of their same sex appealing.

In the lat 70s early 80s me and my friends tended to go only to gay 'nightclubs'. Less agro (dangrous times). Only about third of our group were gay. We got a certain amount of grief at the door, but were always let in. Nay bother.
 


Conelli98

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Dec 18, 2016
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Evening! Being OP, one of the reasons I asked the question was i found it strange that advert came up with Gay Only? I've had more replies than I expected on subject but had some fab responses by gay NCSers who made me see why they do advertise in this way! I have to say more by error than judgement I went to an adults only hotel in Playa de Ingles with the Mrs and it was absolutely top drawer! Yes it was mainly same sex couples but it was one of the best holidays I've been on in recent times, I would not hesitate to go back there!

Ps why would you struggle with concept? If the hotel floats your boat because you like what you see and within your budget... who cares about other people sexuality?
 


DavidinSouthampton

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I'm a conservative and also abide by the law. I just don't agree with this, freedom of choice is eroded. I don't see why the government needs to get involved in a deal between two parties.

Because if someone is operating a business where they are selling to the general public, they are not allowed to discriminate against people on any number of grounds including sexuality. It's fairly straightforward, and some of it must be down to the possibility of humiliation and degradation of the people who are refused the service.

And personally as a Christian, I would strongly argue against the view that it is contrary to their faiths and their beliefs. It's not contrary to mine.
 


DavidinSouthampton

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My young lady has this morning been looking at various usual holiday websites for a last minute holiday deal. She came across one but it stated 'Gay Only'! Are companies legally allowed to say that...I thought it could only be classed as Adult only?

If they were breaking the law by stating "Gay Only", would they be able to achieve the same effect by saying something less extreme - We cater mainly for gay people, or similar? genuine question.

I would certainly want to know if I was just about to book in to a "Gay Only" resort, whilst having no problem leaving them to it. It seems to me to be different to a baker or a hotel refusing to accept gay customers. There is a difference between being honest about the nature of the place, and refusing service to people when it has been openly advertised.
 


Eeyore

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If they were breaking the law by stating "Gay Only", would they be able to achieve the same effect by saying something less extreme - We cater mainly for gay people, or similar? genuine question.

I would certainly want to know if I was just about to book in to a "Gay Only" resort, whilst having no problem leaving them to it. It seems to me to be different to a baker or a hotel refusing to accept gay customers. There is a difference between being honest about the nature of the place, and refusing service to people when it has been openly advertised.

It does seem that the travel agent has placed this specific criteria. Although it may be more semantics than policy.
 




pastafarian

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If they were breaking the law by stating "Gay Only", would they be able to achieve the same effect by saying something less extreme - We cater mainly for gay people, or similar? genuine question.

Legends Hotel Brighton has this on its opening page

Legends Hotel is a hip, hetero friendly, vibrant gay hotel, bar & club in the most colourful city in Europe
http://www.legendsbrighton.com/

Is that the less extreme version of " Gay Only" you were seeking?
 


BadFish

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Oct 19, 2003
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I think context is needed here. If I am booking into a hotel at Gatwick airport the night before a flight, then it makes no difference whether its a gay, straight or whatever, and it would be wrong to have it as "straight only" or "gay only". However I go to an "exclusively" gay resort in Gran Canaria each year.(there are lots of them) The fact that it is advertised as such means that I know my husband and I can go and have a nice relaxing time with like minded people. It also means that anyone who isn't gay would not book and find themselves surrounded unexpectedly by a load of gay people relaxing naked by the pool etc. which could be uncomfortable for ALL concerned, to say nothing of the possibility of taking young sons or daughters with them The fact that the OPs gf saw the advertising she knows that it would possibly be not where she wanted to go for two weeks in the sun. I would expect the OP and GF are quite pleased to know that they haven't booked themselves in to a gay resort

it legal to offer gay only resorts- well there is no mention of where the resort in question is, so it may well be legal, it may also just be advertising itself as a gay resort so that potential guests know what to expect. What would the OP say if they had turned up to a gay resort unknowingly , in the middle of say Fetish week,or Bear week etc

I know someone who was booked into a gay hotel and was given a lot of grief from a straight guest who took great exception to the fact that there were gay people holding hands, kissing etc,

Best point made so far. In this instance the advertising of the gay resort is of benefit to all parties and is not excluding anyone. My guess is that should a straight couple push the point they would not be excluded from holidaying here. In this case the adverting is probably more advisory as to the clientele that will be staying.

As usual on NSC there is nothing to see here and we can all move on.
 






Goldstone1976

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So if a couple asked you to, but you couldn't be assed - you'd be breaking the law?

Nope, you'd be fine. But if they could demonstrate that you had accepted a hetero wedding for the same day they wanted, and that they had asked you first and you had declined them, then, if they wanted to make a thing out of it, you'd be in a world of trouble.

It's this point that has always struck me as odd about the cake business in NI. If the shop owners had just said "Sorry, we're too busy atm", none of their problems would have arisen. It was because they were so vocal (for so long and on so many different occasions) about their reasons for not baking the cake that they got the trouble they did. It's almost as though they wanted to court trouble to make a point...
 


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I mean, this is quite a simple concept yeah? Gay people just want to go on holiday without being hassled by twats and businesses have set up ways of accommodating this. As stated already in the thread by someone with actual experience of these places, heterosexual people ARE welcome so it's not discriminatory whatsoever- they just need to know what to expect i.e.. if you're the kind of simpleton that finds the sight of two blokes kissing (but ironically you're browser history is probably littered with lesbian porn) then it's not the place for you.

We won't see "straight only" (I presume there aren't any already, if there are they'e probably shit) hotels until a straight couple have their heads kicked in for daring to be attracted to someone else
 


DavidinSouthampton

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Legends Hotel Brighton has this on its opening page

Legends Hotel is a hip, hetero friendly, vibrant gay hotel, bar & club in the most colourful city in Europe
http://www.legendsbrighton.com/

Is that the less extreme version of " Gay Only" you were seeking?

Yes - and I see no reason why the sentiments expressed can't be genuine. If anywhere was gay oriented but hetero-hostile, then I would have a problem with that.

On at least two occasions in Brighton I have found myself with hetero friends unwittingly in gay bars in Brighton and had no problem at all. Admittedly it was not at busy times, but....
 




Conelli98

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I mean, this is quite a simple concept yeah? Gay people just want to go on holiday without being hassled by twats and businesses have set up ways of accommodating this. As stated already in the thread by someone with actual experience of these places, heterosexual people ARE welcome so it's not discriminatory whatsoever- they just need to know what to expect i.e.. if you're the kind of simpleton that finds the sight of two blokes kissing (but ironically you're browser history is probably littered with lesbian porn) then it's not the place for you.



We won't see "straight only" (I presume there aren't any already, if there are they'e probably shit) hotels until a straight couple have their heads kicked in for daring to be attracted to someone else

All valid points and mostly great responses to this thread but right from the start my questioning was of The Gay Only part of the advertisement! Everything was written in black and this was like a stamp at the side of hotel picture. If it had Gay resort I find that acceptable but when it was put like that I just found it strange!
 


Triggaaar

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So if a couple asked you to, but you couldn't be assed - you'd be breaking the law?
I'd know that I'd declined because I couldn't be asked, so I wouldn't have broken the law, but I might still be found guilty of breaking it.
Nope, you'd be fine. But if they could demonstrate that you had accepted a hetero wedding for the same day they wanted, and that they had asked you first and you had declined them, then, if they wanted to make a thing out of it, you'd be in a world of trouble.
You'd don't have to later accept another on the same day to be found guilty, as you know law is never that straight forward. If the couple feel they've been discriminated against and prosecute, you're then somewhat in the lap of the gods.
 



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