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Does the loyalty scheme now mean that the away fans club are a closed shop?



Giraffe

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I was bored one evening and thought about this and worked through it. I concluded that as long as season tickets eventually become zero/negligible points it is possible. I'll find my arithmetic and report back.

Yes please do, I'd be interested to see that.
 








Triggaaar

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However whilst in the other scheme it was possible for a relatively new season ticket holder to break into the club I am struggling to see how a relatively newer season ticket holder will ever get there all the time we are in the Premier League.
So?

With allocations always limited at 3,000, and a seemingly high demand from those currently in the high points, how can someone in the third tier of points ever get into the first or second tier. It just isn't possible is it?
No.

So is that it, closed shop? Lovely for those in it, but rubbish for those just outside.
What alternative do you suggest? Tell those that have previously supported the club that they can't go because we have new fans now?

Unlike you, I'm not in the top tier, I'm closer to the bottom. This is a pain, as my daughter really wants to go to an away game, and I don't know how we'll get tickets. But that's life, we don't deserve them compared to those that support the club more.
 


Giraffe

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They appeared to, but there are still 5 Leicester tickets available right now! Watford was available into the 188 tier and may have even been available for the members only on +12.

75 Watford tickets made it into the third tier I think. Don't think any went any further.
 






El Presidente

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For some matches demand>supply and so it will be a closed shop. That's the case for many clubs in the EPL and has been for many years.

If we survive in this division I suspect things will even out a bit, it certainly did the last time we were in the top flight, and as recently as 15 months ago we couldn't even sell our allocation for the playoff game at Wednesday.

What will be disappointing is if fans buy tickets purely to mine loyalty points and we are left with gaps in the away end. It will make our support look a bit tin pot and the team need as much verbal support away as possible.

I can't see it being a major issue though as most who are in the top tranche of away fans will be those who tend to go home and away regardless of the opponent or division in which we play.
 


Wilko

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As a ST holder I couldn't get a ticket due to a lack of points. I went to four away games last year and I've been a ST holder again since returning to the area a few years back. The people I go with who have been ST holders for much longer due to them always being in the area couldn't get them either due to a lack of points.

You can still get a ticket now!
 










Goldstone1976

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What will be disappointing is if fans buy tickets purely to mine loyalty points...

I saw something (on here? Club PR?) about the club wanting to minimise mining, so a couple of weeks ago, I had another look through the new LP T&Cs and spotted this:

"... you will then be credited points for the additional matches that you purchase and attend." My emphasis. http://www.seagullstickets.com/documents/pdf/1718/LoyaltyPoints.pdf

They're clearly teeing up the possibility of tracking which tickets get used. Whether the club will actually be bothered to track usage at home cup games (easy enough, I suspect), or at away games (harder, given they'd need the permission of the away club(s) to get the data from their turnstiles) is another matter; but they're obviously at least aware of the mining issue.
 


Albion_Dave

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Really, they are not showing on the website.

This was 2 minutes ago.

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jackalbion

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People are moaning about Bournemouth but 3 years ago when we played there under hyppia on a Saturday evening and we were fighting relagation we didn't even fill the away end? While I understand young fans may not have been old enough, but I'm 20 and I have enough points for the game in a few weeks and I went to the away game under hyppia, I'm struggling to see the issue?
 






RandyWanger

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I saw something (on here? Club PR?) about the club wanting to minimise mining, so a couple of weeks ago, I had another look through the new LP T&Cs and spotted this:

"... you will then be credited points for the additional matches that you purchase and attend." My emphasis. http://www.seagullstickets.com/documents/pdf/1718/LoyaltyPoints.pdf

They're clearly teeing up the possibility of tracking which tickets get used. Whether the club will actually be bothered to track usage at home cup games (easy enough, I suspect), or at away games (harder, given they'd need the permission of the away club(s) to get the data from their turnstiles) is another matter; but they're obviously at least aware of the mining issue.

Maybe, I can't remember if loyalty points were added at time of sale last season, but mine aren't showing for Leicester or the cup game yet.
 




El Presidente

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I saw something (on here? Club PR?) about the club wanting to minimise mining, so a couple of weeks ago, I had another look through the new LP T&Cs and spotted this:

"... you will then be credited points for the additional matches that you purchase and attend." My emphasis. http://www.seagullstickets.com/documents/pdf/1718/LoyaltyPoints.pdf

They're clearly teeing up the possibility of tracking which tickets get used. Whether the club will actually be bothered to track usage at home cup games (easy enough, I suspect), or at away games (harder, given they'd need the permission of the away club(s) to get the data from their turnstiles) is another matter; but they're obviously at least aware of the mining issue.

You'll be easy enough to spot with your bobble hat and thermos flask I suspect.

Regards

Bushy
 




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