Merson tips us to go down

Nixonator · May 12, 2018

*Gullsworth* said:
Agreed it is up to our recruitment team, look how much of a gem Gross was. But financially we will only be better off to a very few teams.....Cardiff being one, Wolves are minted, third promoted team.....anyone's guess. So having an increased income will not give us a financial advantage.

Pretty sure the rules are still in place where you cannot increase your wage bill by more than 7M per season.

Wolves are going to find many things in place that will stunt any attempts to break the bank for immediate success.

Creaky · May 12, 2018

Weststander said:
No, with the £9m (will never happen again) promotion costs, my figures were the audited results per Companies House.

Separately, to give an indication of our club income 2017/18 and 2018/19, here's Southampton's. Deduct say £30m for their greater broadcasting income/high PL finish prize money .... and we can see how our club income is easily £140m (compared to £29m in the Championship):

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Of course our income is more than a £100m higher than last season but as I said earlier I wouldn’t think TB will be looking to put another £30m into the club as he did last year and when the higher costs connected with being in the PL are taken into account there will be substantially less than an additional £100m to spend.

You can’t just look at the club’s costs - the BHA Holdings finances are the ‘real’ ones.

Weststander · May 12, 2018

Creaky said:
Of course our income is more than a £100m higher than last season but as I said earlier I wouldn’t think TB will be looking to put another £30m into the club as he did last year and when the higher costs connected with being in the PL are taken into account there will be substantially less than an additional £100m to spend.

You can’t just look at the club’s costs - the BHA Holdings finances are the ‘real’ ones.

He won't be putting anything in. Agreed.

£140m income or more, less original cost base leaves the best part of £100m for PL wages and new transfers. I never said £100m will be spent solely on fees, but it will be invested in fees, agents fees and PL level wages.

seagulls4ever · May 12, 2018

Weststander said:
He won't be putting anything in. Agreed.

£140m income or more, less original cost base leaves the best part of £100m for PL wages and new transfers. I never said £100m will be spent solely on fees, but it will be invested in fees, agents fees and PL level wages.

Yes, for sure a large chunk of it will be spent on transfer fees, wages and agents. We'll also still make a profit, as we will have done this year. TB wants the club to be self-sustainable but he also doesn't want to make money from the club. He'll take back the interest-free loans slowly, but most of the rest of the money will be spent on infrastructure, first team squad, academy, etc. I'd expect similar levels of spending on fees to last summer.

Triggaaar · May 12, 2018

LamieRobertson said:
I think we were....when you look at the spine of the ‘regular’ starting eleven we lost only Stephens for any reasonable length of time and that wasn’t too long

But our regular starting 11 might have included Kayal if he hadn't been injured. It would have included March too, was he out at the start?

LamieRobertson · May 12, 2018

Triggaaar said:
But our regular starting 11 might have included Kayal if he hadn't been injured. It would have included March too, was he out at the start?

But it didn’t....and March isn’t really the spine of the side is he (and I can’t remember if he was)

You look at
Ryan
Dunk Duffy
Stephens Pröpper
Murray (normally Gross

That’s the spine....we I think did ok for injuries

Triggaaar · May 12, 2018

LamieRobertson said:
But it didn’t

It didn't because he was injured. If Ryan had been injured all season, he wouldn't be the a regular, but that doesn't mean his injury wouldn't count.

....and March isn’t really the spine of the side is he (and I can’t remember if he was)

Given that we had to wait for Izquierdo to be up to PL speed, March would have been in our starting 11, if fit. Kayal probably would have been too. Maybe even Baldock.

we I think did ok for injuries

Definitely ok, maybe quite well. Just questioning whether we really had 'great luck'. I didn't think we were that lucky, that's all.

LamieRobertson · May 12, 2018

Triggaaar said:
It didn't because he was injured. If Ryan had been injured all season, he wouldn't be the a regular, but that doesn't mean his injury wouldn't count.
Given that we had to wait for Izquierdo to be up to PL speed, March would have been in our starting 11, if fit. Kayal probably would have been too. Maybe even Baldock.

Definitely ok, maybe quite well. Just questioning whether we really had 'great luck'. I didn't think we were that lucky, that's all.

It’s very wet up at Coventry

Nixonator · May 12, 2018

Triggaaar said:
It didn't because he was injured. If Ryan had been injured all season, he wouldn't be the a regular, but that doesn't mean his injury wouldn't count.
Given that we had to wait for Izquierdo to be up to PL speed, March would have been in our starting 11, if fit. Kayal probably would have been too. Maybe even Baldock.

Definitely ok, maybe quite well. Just questioning whether we really had 'great luck'. I didn't think we were that lucky, that's all.

Agreed, I always get twitchy when claimed we have been lucky with injuries.

Having two of our central midfielders out before a ball is kicked, and then claiming we are lucky because the other two don't get injured? Seems strange.

Weststander · May 12, 2018

seagulls4ever said:
Yes, for sure a large chunk of it will be spent on transfer fees, wages and agents. We'll also still make a profit, as we will have done this year. TB wants the club to be self-sustainable but he also doesn't want to make money from the club. He'll take back the interest-free loans slowly, but most of the rest of the money will be spent on infrastructure, first team squad, academy, etc. I'd expect similar levels of spending on fees to last summer.

I'm thinking along the same lines. Another £50m spend on transfer fees, but this time just on 4 players or thereabouts.

Stumpy Tim · May 13, 2018

Weststander said:
True about our great luck with injuries.

But we have another £100m of ADDITIONAL income to build squad quality and numbers this summer.

I assume that £100m also has to cover existing wages, so the extent to which we can strengthen must depend on what the existing wage bill is

spence · May 13, 2018

We spent about £55 million in our first season and a further 10 million roughly bringing the Amex up to Premier league standards.

Thunder Bolt · May 13, 2018

Triggaaar said:
Were we that lucky? Didn't Kayal miss the start, with Sidwell injured all season, meaning we only had Propper and Stephens with no subs? They formed a good partnership through necessity. Didn't March and Baldock also miss a chunk? Would have been nice if Baldock started as he finished last season, and competed for a place. Goldson missed the start too right?

Apart from Stephens, the rest weren't regular starters. Yes, we were lucky that neither Murray nor Groß were Injured.

Triggaaar · May 13, 2018

Thunder Bolt said:
Apart from Stephens, the rest weren't regular starters.

How were Kayal (play of the season year before last), March and Baldock not regular starters? The only reason they didn't start more was because of injury.

Weststander · May 13, 2018

Stumpy Tim said:
I assume that £100m also has to cover existing wages, so the extent to which we can strengthen must depend on what the existing wage bill is

To give the full picture for 2018/19:

Club income (estimate) £140m
Less: operational & admin costs (£15m)
= £125m cash to cover payroll, new transfer fees & agents fees.

This assumes no cash inflow from player sales, or repayments to TB.

Rubbish · May 14, 2018

Triggaaar said:
How were Kayal (play of the season year before last), March and Baldock not regular starters? The only reason they didn't start more was because of injury.

Rubbish

Beach Hut · May 14, 2018

Merson making himself look a cock on Sky Sports - The Debate

Weststander · May 15, 2018

Beach Hut said:
Merson making himself look a cock on Sky Sports - The Debate

Yep, kept shouting over Shreeves and Bellamy, even when not his turn to answer. Bellamy coaches at Cardiff, Merson’s out the game, yet he was a paragon of virtue.

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