25 man squad

Note that Glen Murray does not count as a homegrown player, but Tim Krul does. It is a strange thing this homegrown rule.

Baldseagull said:

Note that Glen Murray does not count as a homegrown player, but Tim Krul does. It is a strange thing this homegrown rule.

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Murray doesn't appear to count as home grown as he played non league football until he joined Carlisle at 21. He didn't play for any youth academy and also spent a year playing in America when he was 20/21.

To be home grown you have to have spent at least 3 years, regardless of nationality, with a club associated with the FA or FAW before your 21st birthday.

Tim Krull joined Newcastle at 17 so qualifies as he spent the 3 years with them prior to his 21st birthday.

Deadly Danson said:

Never mind any of that - maybe I'm the last to know but: Propper, David Petrus Wenceslaus Henri.
WHAT a name. Must be the first Wenceslaus we've had on our books?

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Here we go : Davy Wenceslaus first looked down

At the feet of Stephens

But the ball had gone and with a frown

Davy smacked him one just to make it evens


I thank yew!

el punal said:

Here we go : Davy Wenceslaus first looked down

At the feet of Stephens

But the ball had gone and with a frown

Davy smacked him one just to make it evens


I thank yew!

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Brilliant

Joey Jo Jo Jr. Shabadoo said:

Murray doesn't appear to count as home grown as he played non league football until he joined Carlisle at 21. He didn't play for any youth academy and also spent a year playing in America when he was 20/21.

To be home grown you have to have spent at least 3 years, regardless of nationality, with a club associated with the FA or FAW before your 21st birthday.

Tim Krull joined Newcastle at 17 so qualifies as he spent the 3 years with them prior to his 21st birthday.

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I understand that, but the aim of the rule is to ensure there are players coming through with potential to play for England.
As it is, a team could have 8 players who count as home grown in their squad and none of them eligible for an England call up, and another could have 8 players eligible for England, that started their pro career late and don't count as home grown.
Why not make the rule 8 players eligible for an England call up? This would encourage clubs to look harder at English boys for their academy, before recruiting from outside England.

Baldseagull said:

I understand that, but the aim of the rule is to ensure there are players coming through with potential to play for England.
As it is, a team could have 8 players who count as home grown in their squad and none of them eligible for an England call up, and another could have 8 players eligible for England, that started their pro career late and don't count as home grown.
Why not make the rule 8 players eligible for an England call up? This would encourage clubs to look harder at English boys for their academy, before recruiting from outside England.

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Completely agree, the rule as it stands isn't fit for purpose. Greg Dyke has said he wants to change it, these changes could include increasing the number of home grown players to 12, of which 2 will have been through the clubs youth system. He's also suggested reducing the qualifying age for home grown players from 21 to 18.

The reduction of the age to 18 is the key one as currently players are not allowed to move across national boundaries until they are 16, meaning a foreign 16 year old wouldn't be able to complete 3 years prior to their 18th birthday. So would never become a home grown player.

Trigger said:

Total waste.

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I'd put money on a match winner thanks to Skalak.

brightonrock said:

Couple of under 21/scholar names I've not seen mentioned...

Mamadou Saliou Koné, 17yo Portuguese defender of Guinean descent who we appear to have signed this season from Benfica.

And Jordan Nando Marques Araujo....Who I can't find any information about whatsoever.

Does [MENTION=1276]AZ Gull[/MENTION] have any info as our resident guru on all things Albion Youth?

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I don't know if you "do" twitter, but if you do, and you are interested in news items about the academy, its players and matches, then there is a twitter account dedicated to exactly that. That twitter account tweeted about Araujo signing for the club on August 22nd:-

[TWEET]900133763119697922[/TWEET]

[TWEET]900134061447946240[/TWEET]

Now, full disclosure: I run that twitter account. I would be more than happy to recommend other twitter accounts that cover the Albion academy in great detail, but as I don't know of any, I can't. So, apologies for the advertisement, and if the boss man wants to slap my wrist so be it, but I don't derive any commercial benefit from the account and it is offered to keep fellow Albion fans informed of academy stuff they might otherwise miss. [And, I must add, I was actually flagged about Araujo by another NSC user, and I am very grateful to him for the heads up].

I must admit, I had never heard of Kone before seeing the Premier League squad list.

AZ Gull said:

I don't know if you "do" twitter, but if you do, and you are interested in news items about the academy, its players and matches, then there is a twitter account dedicated to exactly that. That twitter account tweeted about Araujo signing for the club on August 22nd

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I must admit, I had never heard of Kone before seeing the Premier League squad list.I am on twitter and do actually follow that account as it turns out, but must have missed that tweet for some reason. Do you know what position Araujo plays?

And no apologies needed whatsoever for the plug - you do a fine job and I know it's greatly appreciated on here. KUTGW! [emoji106]

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Some clubs haven't named 25:

http://www.football365.com/news/club-by-club-premier-league-25-man-squads-including-u21s

The most notable absentees from the 25-man Premier League squad lists are here.

From the Premier League’s official website:

‘After the closing of the summer transfer window each Premier League club had until 4pm BST on 1 September to submit a squad list containing no more than 17 players who do not fulfil the “Home Grown Player” (HGP) criteria.

‘The rest of the squad, up to a total of 25 players, must be Home Grown.

‘An HGP means a player who, irrespective of nationality or age, has been registered with any club affiliated to The Football Association or the Football Association of Wales for a period, continuous or not, of three entire seasons, or 36 months, before his 21st birthday (or the end of the season during which he turns 21).

‘Changes to the squad list of 25 may be made during the period of a transfer window.

‘Under-21 players are eligible over and above the limit of 25 players per squad.

‘For the 2017/18 campaign Under-21 players will have been born on or after 1 January 1996.

‘Each club squad list is below as well as an additional list of each club’s registered Under-21 players who are eligible over and above the squad limit of 25 players.’
Oh, and a * denotes a homegrown player. Enjoy.



ARSENAL

Chuba Akpom *
Hector Bellerin *
Petr Cech
Calum Chambers *
Francis Coquelin *
Mathieu Debuchy
Mohamed Elneny
Olivier Giroud
Rob Holding *
Deyan Iliev
Sead Kolasinac
Laurent Koscielny
Alexandre Lacazette
Matt Macey
Per Mertesacker
Nacho Monreal
Shkodran Mustafi
David Ospina
Mesut Ozil
Aaron Ramsey *
Alexis Sanchez
Theo Walcott *
Danny Welbeck *
Jack Wilshere *
Granit Xhaka

Under-21 players (who are likely to play)

Krystian Bielik
Alex Iwobi
Ainsley Maitland-Niles
Reiss Nelson
Jeff Reine-Adelaide



BOURNEMOUTH

Benik Afobe *
Nathan Ake *
Ryan Allsop *
Harry Arter *
Asmir Begovic *
Artur Boruc
Steve Cook *
Charlie Daniels *
Jermain Defoe *
Adam Federici
Simon Francis *
Ryan Fraser
Dan Gosling *
Jordon Ibe *
Josh King *
Tyrone Mings *
Marc Pugh *
Adam Smith *
Brad Smith *
Junior Stanislas *
Adnrew Surman *
Callum Wilson *

Under-21 players (who are likely to play)

Lewis Cook
Emerson Hyndman
Lys Mousset
Aaron Ramsdale
Jack Simpson



BRIGHTON

Sam Baldock *
Gaetan Bong
Shane Duffy *
Lewis Dunk *
Connor Goldson *
Pascal Gross
Tomer Hemed
Uwe Hunemeier
Jose Izquierdo
Beram Kayal
Anthony Knockaert
Tim Krul *
Niki Maenpaa
Solly March *
Jamie Murphy
Glenn Murray
Davy Propper
Liam Rosenior *
Mat Ryan
Bruno
Ezequiel Schelotto
Steve Sidwell *
Jiri Skalak
Dale Stephens *
Markus Suttner

Under-21 players (who are likely to play)

Izzy Brown
Aaron Connolly
Ales Mateju
Jayson Molumby
James Tilley



BURNLEY

Scott Arfield
Phil Bardsley *
Ashley Barnes *
Robbie Brady *
Jack Cork *
Steven Defour
Johann Gudmundsson
Tom Heaton *
Jeff Hendrick *
Adam Legzdins *
Kevin Long *
Matthew Lowton *
Dean Marney *
Ben Mee *
Nick Pope *
James Tarkowski *
Charlie Taylor *
Fredrik Ulvestad
Sam Vokes *
Jon Walters *
Stephen Ward
Nakhi Wells
Ashley Westwood *
Chris Wood *

Under-21 players (who are likely to play)

…



CHELSEA

Marcos Alonso
Cesar Azpilicueta
Tiemoue Bakayoko
Michy Batshuayi
Willian
Willy Caballero
Gary Cahill *
Thibaut Courtois
Diego Costa
Eduardo
Danny Drinkwater *
Cesc Fabregas *
Eden Hazard
N’Golo Kante
David Luiz
Alvaro Morata
Victor Moses *
Pedro
Antonio Rudiger
Davide Zappacosta

Under-21 players (who are likely to play)

Andreas Christensen
Charly Musonda



CRYSTAL PALACE

Christian Benteke
Yohan Cabaye
Scott Dann *
Damien Delaney
Wayne Hennessey *
Sullay Kaikai *
Martin Kelly *
Freddie Ladapo *
Lee Chung-yong
James McArthur
Luka Milivojevic
Jordon Mutch *
Jason Puncheon *
Mamadou Sakho
Bakary Sako
Jeffrey Schlupp *
Pape Souare
Julian Speroni
James Tomkins *
Andros Townsend *
Patrick van Aanholt *
Joel Ward *
Connor Wickham *
Wilfried Zaha *

Under-21 players (who are likely to play)

Timony Fosu-Mensah
Ruben Loftus-Cheek
Jason Lokilo
Jairo Riedewald



EVERTON

Leighton Baines *
Ross Barkley *
Muhamed Besic
Yannick Bolasie *
Sam Byrne *
Seamus Coleman
Ramiro Funes Mori
Idrissa Gueye
Phil Jagielka *
Gethin Jones *
Michael Keane *
Davy Klaassen
Aaron Lennon *
Cuco Martina
James McCarthy *
Kevin Mirallas
Oumar Niasse
Jordan Pickford *
Sandro Ramirez
Joel Robles
Wayne Rooney *
Morgan Schneiderlin *
Gylfi Sigurdsson *
Maarten Stekelenburg
Ashley Williams *


Under-21 players (who are likely to play)

Dominic Calvert-Lewin
Tom Davies
Mason Holgate
Jonjoe Kenny
Ademola Lookman
Nikola Vlasic

HUDDERSFIELD

Joel Coleman *
Martin Cranie *
Laurent Depoitre
Rob Green *
Florent Hadergjonaj
Michael Hefele
Jonathan Hogg *
Tom Ince *
Mathias Jorgensen
Elias Kachunga
Joe Lolley *
Jonas Lossl
Chris Lowe
Scott Malone *
Aaron Mooy *
Steve Mounie
Colin Quaner
Christopher Schindler
Tommy Smith *
Rajiv van La Parra
Dean Whitehead *
Danny Williams

Under-21 players (who are likely to play)

Philip Billing
Kasey Palmer
Abdelhamid Sabiri
Jon Gorenc-Stankovic
Jordan Williams



LEICESTER

Marc Albrighton *
Daniel Amartey
Yohan Benalouane
Aleksandar Dragovic
Christian Fuchs
Josh Gordon
Ben Hamer *
Robert Huth *
Vicente Iborra
Eldin Jakupovic
Matty James *
Andy King *
Harry Maguire *
Riyad Mahrez
Liandro Martis
Wes Morgan *
Ahmed Musa
Shinji Okazaki
Kasper Schmeichel *
Adrien Silva
Danny Simpson *
Islam Slimani
Leonardo Ulloa
Jamie Vardy *

Under-21 players (who are likely to play)

Ben Chilwell
Demarai Gray
Kelechi Iheanacho
Josh Knight
Wilfred Ndidi

LIVERPOOL

Roberto Firmino
Adam Bogdan
Emre Can
Nathaniel Clyne *
Philippe Coutinho
Jon Flanagan *
Jordan Henderson *
Danny Ings *
Lloyd Jones *
Loris Karius
Ragnar Klavan
Adam Lallana *
Dejan Lovren
Sadio Mane
Lazar Markovic
Joel Matip
Simon Mignolet
James Milner *
Alberto Moreno
Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain *
Andrew Robertson
Mohamed Salah
Daniel Sturridge *
Danny Ward *
Georginio Wijnaldum

Under-21 players (who are likely to play)

Trent Alexander-Arnold
Ovie Ejaria
Joe Gomez
Marko Grujic
Dominic Solanke
Ben Woodburn



MANCHESTER CITY

Sergio Aguero
Claudio Bravo
Danilo
Kevin de Bruyne
Fabian Delph *
Ilkay Gundogan
David Silva
Vincent Kompany
Fernandinho
Eliaquim Mangala
Benjamin Mendy
Bernardo Silva
Nicolas Otamendi
Ederson
Raheem Sterling *
John Stones *
Yaya Toure
Kyle Walker *

Under-21 players (who are likely to play)

Tosin Adarabioyo
Phil Foden
Gabriel Jesus
Leroy Sané


MANCHESTER UNITED

Eric Bailly
Daley Blind
Michael Carrick *
Matteo Darmian
David de Gea
Marouane Fellaini
Ander Herrera
Zlatan Ibrahimovic
Sam Johnstone *
Phil Jones *
Victor Lindelof
Jesse Lingard *
Romelu Lukaku *
Anthony Martial
Juan Mata
Nemanja Matic
Henrikh Mkhitaryan
Paul Pogba *
Marcos Rojo
Sergio Romero
Luke Shaw *
Chris Smalling *
Antonio Valencia
James Wilson *
Ashley Young *

Under-21 players (who are likely to play)

Joel Pereira
Marcus Rashford
Axel Tuanzebe



NEWCASTLE

Rolando Aarons *
Ciaran Clark *
Jack Colback *
Karl Darlow *
Mo Diame
Paul Dummett *
Rob Elliot *
Jesus Gamez
Dwight Gayle *
Ayoze Perez
Massadio Haidara
Isaac Hayden *
Jamaal Lascelles *
Florian Lejeune
Javier Manquillo
Joselu
Chancel Mbemba
Aleksander Mitrovic
Jacob Murphy *
Matt Ritchie *
Henri Saivet
Jonjo Shelvey *
Jamie Sterry *
Christian Atsu
Deandre Yedlin

Under-21 players (who are likely to play)

Daniel Barlaser
Mikel Merino
Freddie Woodman



SOUTHAMPTON

Cedric Soares
Charlie Austin *
Ryan Bertrand *
Sofiane Boufal
Steven Davis *
Fraser Forster *
Manolo Gabbiadini
Florin Gardos
Wesley Hoedt
Pierre-Emile Hojbjerg
Mario Lemina
Shane Long *
Alex McCarthy *
Sam McQueen *
Jeremy Pied
Nathan Redmond *
Jack Rose *
Jack Stephens *
Dusan Tadic
Matt Targett *
Stuart Taylor *
Virgil van Dijk
Oriol Romeu
James Ward-Prowse *
Maya Yoshida

Under-21 players (who are likely to play)

Jan Bednarek
Jake Hesketh
Josh Sims



STOKE

Charlie Adam
Ibrahim Afellay
Joe Allen *
Saido Berahino *
Jack Butland *
Geoff Cameron
Eric Maxim Choupo-Moting
Peter Crouch *
Mame Biram Diouf
Darren Fletcher *
Lee Grant *
Jakob Haugaard
Stephen Ireland *
Glen Johnson *
Bruno Martins Indi
Erik Pieters
Jese Rodriguez
Xherdan Shaqiri
Ryan Shawcross *
Kevin Wimmer
Kurt Zouma

Under-21 players (who are likely to play)

Julien Ngoy
Ramadan Sobhi
Harry Souttar
Josh Tymon
Thibaud Verlinden



SWANSEA

Jordan Ayew
Courtney Baker-Richardson
Kyle Bartley *
Wilfried Bony
Leon Britton *
Tom Carroll *
Sam Clucas *
Nathan Dyer, Nathan Antone Jonah*
Lukasz Fabianski
Leroy Fer
Federico Fernandez
Jay Fulton
Kenji Gorre *
Ki Sung-yueng
Adam King
Alfie Mawson *
Roque Mesa
Erwin Mulder
Luciano Narsingh
Kyle Naughton *
Kristoffer Nordfeldt
Martin Olsson *
Wayne Routledge *
Mike van der Hoorn
Angel Rangel

Under-21 players (who are likely to play)

Tammy Abraham
Renato Sanches



TOTTENHAM

Toby Alderweireld
Serge Aurier
Ben Davies *
Mousa Dembele
Eric Dier
Christian Eriksen
Paulo Gazzaniga
Son Heung-min
Vincent Janssen
Harry Kane *
Erik Lamela
Fernando Llorente
Hugo Lloris
Georges-Kevin Nkoudou
Danny Rose *
Moussa Sissoko
Kieran Trippier *
Jan Vertonghen
Michel Vorm
Victor Wanyama

Under-21 players (who are likely to play)

Dele Alli
Marcus Edwards
Juan Foyth
Tashan Oakley-Boothe
Davinson Sánchez
Kyle Walker-Peters
Harry Winks



WATFORD

Daniel Bachmann *
Miguel Britos
Etienne Capoue
Andre Carrillo
Nathaniel Chalobah *
Jose Holevas
Tom Cleverley *
Troy Deeney *
Abdoulaye Doucoure
Kiko Femenia
Heurelho Gomes
Andre Gray *
Will Hughes *
Daryl Janmaat
Christian Kabasele
Younes Kaboul
Orestis Karnezis
Adrian Mariappa *
Stefano Okaka
Roberto Pereyra
Sebastian Prodl
Molla Wague
Ben Watson *
Marvin Zeegelaar

Under-21 players (who are likely to play)

Richarlison
Jerome Sinclair
Isaac Success



WEST BROM

Gareth Barry *
Chris Brunt *
Nacer Chadli
Craig Dawson *
Ahmed Hegazy
Jonny Evans *
Ben Foster *
Kieran Gibbs *
Grzegorz Krychowiak
Jake Livermore *
Gareth McAuley
James McClean
James Morrison *
Boaz Myhill *
Allan Nyom
Matty Phillips *
Hal Robson-Kanu *
Jay Rodriguez *
Solomon Rondon
Claudio Yacob

Under-21 players (who are likely to play)

Oliver Burke
Sam Field
Tyler Roberts



WEST HAM

Michail Antonio *
Marko Arnautovic
Andre Ayew
Sam Byram *
Andy Carroll *
James Collins *
Aaron Cresswell *
Jose Fonte
Joe Hart *
Doneil Henry
Javier Hernandez
Cheikhou Kouyate
Manuel Lanzini
Moses Makasi *
Arthur Masuaku
Mark Noble *
Pedro Obiang
Angelo Ogbonna
Winston Reid
Diafra Sakho
Adrian
Pablo Zabaleta

Under-21 players (who are likely to play)

Edimilson Fernandes
Sead Haksabanovic
Domingos Quina
Declan Rice

whitelion said:

Some clubs haven't named 25:

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By coincidence, I'd just opened up this thread to pass comment that Palace only named 24 players.

Bozza said:

By coincidence, I'd just opened up this thread to pass comment that Palace only named 24 players.

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Bournemouth 22

whitelion said:

Bournemouth 22

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Chelsea have given all their players away and even with U21s haven't got 25.

Interesting to note that unless we had Goldson and Krul, we would have had only seven "home grown" players.

....or do the under 21 players count in the required "8" as well ?

cjd said:

Interesting to note that unless we had Goldson and Krul, we would have had only seven "home grown" players.

....or do the under 21 players count in the required "8" as well ?

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Based upon this wording:-

After the closing of the summer transfer window each Premier League club had until 4pm BST on 1 September to submit a squad list containing no more than 17 players who do not fulfil the “Home Grown Player” (HGP) criteria.

The rest of the squad, up to a total of 25 players, must be Home Grown.

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I take it to mean that a club could name a squad of just 17 non-Home Grown players and they would still be within the rules (ie the rule effectively limits the maximum number of non-HGP players, rather than actually requiring a certain number of HGP). So, to take your question, without Goldson and Krul in our squad, we would have a squad of 23, made up of 16 non-HGP and 7 HGP, which would be fine as there are not more than 17 non-HGP. Of course, what we wouldn't be able to do would be to replace Krul and Goldson with two non-HGP.

cjd said:

Interesting to note that unless we had Goldson and Krul, we would have had only seven "home grown" players.

....or do the under 21 players count in the required "8" as well ?

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Jamie Murphy and Glenn Murray are not asterisked, but are clearly home grown players.

Pogue Mahone said:

Jamie Murphy and Glenn Murray are not asterisked, but are clearly home grown players.

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By all accounts not - for Murray anyway. I assume Murphy was North of the border (ie not FA or FAW) so doesn't count either. Seems a strange rule, given this:

Joey Jo Jo Jr. Shabadoo said:

Murray doesn't appear to count as home grown as he played non league football until he joined Carlisle at 21. He didn't play for any youth academy and also spent a year playing in America when he was 20/21.

To be home grown you have to have spent at least 3 years, regardless of nationality, with a club associated with the FA or FAW before your 21st birthday.

Tim Krull joined Newcastle at 17 so qualifies as he spent the 3 years with them prior to his 21st birthday.

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By all accounts not - for Murray anyway. I assume Murphy was North of the border (ie not FA or FAW) so doesn't count either.

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You are correct. Murphy didn't join Sheff Utd until he was 24, he came through the youth system at Clyde and then Motherwell meaning no association with an FA or FAW club prior to the age of 21.

Bozza said:

By all accounts not - for Murray anyway. I assume Murphy was North of the border (ie not FA or FAW) so doesn't count either. Seems a strange rule, given this:

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Blimey. That really is a strange rule. Utterly ludicrous, in fact.

Pogue Mahone said:

Blimey. That really is a strange rule. Utterly ludicrous, in fact.

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I know it's The Mail (sorry - Google threw it up), but it covers more detail of the "Home Grown" thing, and why there is some desire to change the rules (although it still wouldn't make either Murray or Murphy "home grown"): http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...ague-consider-tightening-homegrown-rules.html