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      Tomer's goal ratio in La Liga was 1 in 4 and that was when he was a younger man. The evidence is that he won't be the man to score enough to keep us up, but we should get good money for a 15 goal a season Championship striker.

      He was a great signing, a top bloke but time for him to move on.
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      Quite agree, we can't posably
      let him go until we get another one in.
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      Think his contract is upvat the doctor and of this season so we either sell now to optimise value or let him go for a smaller fee if we wait until January (Barnes?). Hemed believes he is up to this league so wont stay beyond his current contract if we push him out on loan now.
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      Tomer's goal ratio in La Liga was 1 in 4 and that was when he was a younger man. The evidence is that he won't be the man to score enough to keep us up, but we should get good money for a 15 goal a season Championship striker.

      He was a great signing, a top bloke but time for him to move on.
      If Hemed can score 1 goal every 4 games for us this season - i.e. 9 goals if if plays in all 38 matches, then we would be extremely foolish to consider letting him go. I get the impression on this forum that people don't understand how difficult it is to score goals in the Premier League. I don't think we'll have a single player in double figures this season. People look at Niasse's scoring record at Hull last season (4 goals in 12 starts + 5 sub appearances), and then say that's not good enough for us. Actually, that's not a terrible record in the Premier League. People are making erroneous equivalences between goal scoring records in the Championship, because that's what we're used to, and the Premier League or other leagues. There are countless examples of players scoring 20-30 goals in the Championship, stepping up to the Premier League, and then completely flopping. Conversely, there are players with pretty average Championship records, like Jamie Vardy or Harry Kane, who have gone on to do far better in the Premier League.
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      If Hemed can score 1 goal every 4 games for us this season - i.e. 9 goals if if plays in all 38 matches, then we would be extremely foolish to consider letting him go. I get the impression on this forum that people don't understand how difficult it is to score goals in the Premier League. I don't think we'll have a single player in double figures this season. People look at Niasse's scoring record at Hull last season (4 goals in 12 starts + 5 sub appearances), and then say that's not good enough for us. Actually, that's not a terrible record in the Premier League. Why are people making comparisons between goal scoring records in the Championship and the Premier League? There are countless examples of players scoring 20-30 goals in the Championship, stepping up to the Premier League, and then completely flopping. Conversely, there are players with pretty average Championship records, like Jamie Vardy or Harry Kane, who have gone on to do far better in the Premier League.
      I like Hemed but he is just not Premier league standard , he is not quick enough , can't beat a man , and is not physically imposing forward , and does not score goals ,
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      Quote Originally Posted by seagulls4ever View Post
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      If Hemed can score 1 goal every 4 games for us this season - i.e. 9 goals if if plays in all 38 matches, then we would be extremely foolish to consider letting him go. I get the impression on this forum that people don't understand how difficult it is to score goals in the Premier League. I don't think we'll have a single player in double figures this season. People look at Niasse's scoring record at Hull last season (4 goals in 12 starts + 5 sub appearances), and then say that's not good enough for us. Actually, that's not a terrible record in the Premier League. People are making erroneous equivalences between goal scoring records in the Championship, because that's what we're used to, and the Premier League or other leagues. There are countless examples of players scoring 20-30 goals in the Championship, stepping up to the Premier League, and then completely flopping. Conversely, there are players with pretty average Championship records, like Jamie Vardy or Harry Kane, who have gone on to do far better in the Premier League.
      "When he was a year younger man" was key.

      Then there's the question, outside of Real, Barca and Atletico, is La Liga of a lower standard making it easier to score 9 goals in a season there?
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      I like Hemed but he is just not Premier league standard , he is not quick enough , can't beat a man , and is not physically imposing forward , and does not score goals ,
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      As implied by most post, if you want all those attributes in the Premier League you are expecting too much. That kind of player will cost 30m+. If Hemed replicates his La Liga record in the Premier League (no guarantee, not least because they are completely different leagues), then he will have done very well for us this season (if he stays) - and I would be delighted with that sort of contribution from any of our players. Scoring goals in the Premier League is HARD.
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      As implied by most post, if you want all those attributes in the Premier League you are expecting too much. That kind of player will cost 30m+. If Hemed replicates his La Liga record in the Premier League (no guarantee, not least because they are completely different leagues), then he will have done very well for us this season (if he stays) - and I would be delighted with that sort of contribution from any of our players. Scoring goals in the Premier League is HARD.
      Absolutely. Southampton came 8th averaging just over a goal a game (41 in 38), along with Stoke, Burnley, Watford etc. We'll do well to score a similar amount....so in reality we're looking at something like one player in say mid-double figures, one on about 10, a couple on 7-8 and a few others chipping in.
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