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    Goals are the key for a struggling team in the Premier League. We won't be keeping many clean sheets, no team in the bottom half does when you're up against quality attackers every week. So being able to hurt other teams is a must. Sadly I don't think there is a case to be made for any of our current strikers being capable of scoring more than a handful of goals in a Premier League season so we need to focus the budget on this area. We need at least two new strikers and one needs to have some form of track record of scoring goals at a good level. Anything less is just asking for trouble. Even signing one striker would be unacceptable as we need options. Plus you can't pin all your hopes on one man, find he is injured in the first month and then be relying on a 34 year old with minimal top flight experience/success to lead our attack. Even crap teams have good strikers - Watford have Deeney, Palace have Benteke, Swansea have Llorente, Bournemouth have Defoe, West Brom have Rondon etc. That's the level we need to reach. Anyone thinking Glenn Murray or Sam Baldock can do the job is sadly mistaken and we can't take a £120m gamble on them.


    Strikers will come but something I would like to see happen would be to find a player who can get a few goals from corners or free kicks, Someone like the way Tim Cahill used to be able to do for Everton. A decent player but not overly gifted but every season for both Millwall and Everton he hit close to 10 goals or more per season, mostly from his head from corners and free kicks.

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      Goals are the key for a struggling team in the Premier League. We won't be keeping many clean sheets, no team in the bottom half does when you're up against quality attackers every week. So being able to hurt other teams is a must. Sadly I don't think there is a case to be made for any of our current strikers being capable of scoring more than a handful of goals in a Premier League season so we need to focus the budget on this area. We need at least two new strikers and one needs to have some form of track record of scoring goals at a good level. Anything less is just asking for trouble. Even signing one striker would be unacceptable as we need options. Plus you can't pin all your hopes on one man, find he is injured in the first month and then be relying on a 34 year old with minimal top flight experience/success to lead our attack. Even crap teams have good strikers - Watford have Deeney, Palace have Benteke, Swansea have Llorente, Bournemouth have Defoe, West Brom have Rondon etc. That's the level we need to reach. Anyone thinking Glenn Murray or Sam Baldock can do the job is sadly mistaken and we can't take a £120m gamble on them.
      Excellent points, scary thing though is we haven't even really been linked to top strikers either....I fully understand the need for decent prices etc, but we cannot pin all hopes on possible Aldi styled deals... Whilst I appreciate we won't shop at Waitrose, we can look at Tescos and Sainsburys to ensure that we obtain quality and Experience..
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      Excellent points, scary thing though is we haven't even really been linked to top strikers either....I fully understand the need for decent prices etc, but we cannot pin all hopes on possible Aldi styled deals... Whilst I appreciate we won't shop at Waitrose, we can look at Tescos and Sainsburys to ensure that we obtain quality and Experience..
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      Goals are the key for a struggling team in the Premier League. We won't be keeping many clean sheets, no team in the bottom half does when you're up against quality attackers every week. So being able to hurt other teams is a must. Sadly I don't think there is a case to be made for any of our current strikers being capable of scoring more than a handful of goals in a Premier League season so we need to focus the budget on this area. We need at least two new strikers and one needs to have some form of track record of scoring goals at a good level. Anything less is just asking for trouble. Even signing one striker would be unacceptable as we need options. Plus you can't pin all your hopes on one man, find he is injured in the first month and then be relying on a 34 year old with minimal top flight experience/success to lead our attack. Even crap teams have good strikers - Watford have Deeney, Palace have Benteke, Swansea have Llorente, Bournemouth have Defoe, West Brom have Rondon etc. That's the level we need to reach. Anyone thinking Glenn Murray or Sam Baldock can do the job is sadly mistaken and we can't take a £120m gamble on them.
      I would suspect the loyalty will probably get us relegated but it's been fun getting here that's for sure.
      I also don't see any of our strikers getting more than 5 goals and our centre midfielders never scored hardly even in the championship.Its goner be pretty painful a lot this season sadly.
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      Excellent points, scary thing though is we haven't even really been linked to top strikers either....I fully understand the need for decent prices etc, but we cannot pin all hopes on possible Aldi styled deals... Whilst I appreciate we won't shop at Waitrose, we can look at Tescos and Sainsburys to ensure that we obtain quality and Experience..
      Agreed, I'm concerned too that we don't even seem to be mentioned when it comes to strikers heading for Premier League clubs.

      Blaming money really isn't right. The market may be ridiculous, but it's only ridiculous because every club is now receiving £120m a season. So to compete at this level we just have to accept that the starting price for a decent striker is £15m to £20m. There is no point crying about it or trying to sign a £3m striker because that's the equivalent of being in the Championship and signing someone for £200k, ie it's unlikely to succeed. If we want to play in the Premier League then we need to buy Premier League players at Premier League prices, and while we may not be able to do that across the squad in Year 1 it is imperative that we do it in the most important position.
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      I would suspect the loyalty will probably get us relegated but it's been fun getting here that's for sure.
      I also don't see any of our strikers getting more than 5 goals and our centre midfielders never scored hardly even in the championship.Its goner be pretty painful a lot this season sadly.
      At the moment we are nailed on for 19th or 20th place. I've no problem with a mix of loyalty and strengthening. Our current squad has just achieved something special and everyone who played a big part last season deserves to remain in the 18. But we also need to be realistic and realise this is a huge step up and we have very few players you can be confident about performing well next season. People are quick to say that there are lots of poor teams in the Premier League and we will be ok, but those supposedly weak teams still have their fair share of proven Premier League performers and goalscorers. I still think teams like Swansea, Palace and Stoke are miles ahead of us right now. Loyalty and team spirit can get us some of the way, but adding quality players is also a must. I just hope the club haven't underestimated the challenge, but I'm beginning to wonder if they think we can do it on the cheap.
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      I would suspect the loyalty will probably get us relegated but it's been fun getting here that's for sure.
      I also don't see any of our strikers getting more than 5 goals and our centre midfielders never scored hardly even in the championship.Its goner be pretty painful a lot this season sadly.
      There won't be any loyalty. Only players thought good enough or ''in form'' or conducive to tactics in a particular match will play. That's a given with Chris and I think has already being bourne out by the dispatch of Stockdale and him being replaced by Ryan. You can't dispatch everyone all at once who may not quite be up to playing in the PL but the squad has evolved in every transfer window and it will continue to do so.
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      At the moment we are nailed on for 19th or 20th place. I've no problem with a mix of loyalty and strengthening. Our current squad has just achieved something special and everyone who played a big part last season deserves to remain in the 18. But we also need to be realistic and realise this is a huge step up and we have very few players you can be confident about performing well next season. People are quick to say that there are lots of poor teams in the Premier League and we will be ok, but those supposedly weak teams still have their fair share of proven Premier League performers and goalscorers. I still think teams like Swansea, Palace and Stoke are miles ahead of us right now. Loyalty and team spirit can get us some of the way, but adding quality players is also a must. I just hope the club haven't underestimated the challenge, but I'm beginning to wonder if they think we can do it on the cheap.
      Agree with much of this.

      I'd be really interested to hear from @El Presidente about if there is any good reason why some of these other 'lesser' Premier League clubs are able to spend what appears to be eye-watering sums of money if we can't or won't. Is it any/all of...

      1. They've been in the PL for a few seasons now, so feel more assured in splashing the cash as relegation feels like less of an imminent threat.
      2. They have uber-rich owners who are able to top up TV money with their own tens of millions of pounds (I've lost track of what, if anything, exist of FFP type stuff in the PL).
      3. We're just being a bit cautious (based on estimates of spend thus far).
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      Agree with much of this.

      I'd be really interested to hear from @El Presidente about if there is any good reason why some of these other 'lesser' Premier League clubs are able to spend what appears to be eye-watering sums of money if we can't or won't. Is it any/all of...

      1. They've been in the PL for a few seasons now, so feel more assured in splashing the cash as relegation feels like less of an imminent threat.
      2. They have uber-rich owners who are able to top up TV money with their own tens of millions of pounds (I've lost track of what, if anything, exist of FFP type stuff in the PL).
      3. We're just being a bit cautious (based on estimates of spend thus far).
      I think Point 1 is fair. If you get £120m a year then you don't need to be a genius to work out teams like Bournemouth have now had £360m since they went up, Burnley have had £240m and so on. So we will be at a disadvantage still and it is unrealistic to expect us to overhaul the squad so it is packed with Premier League players in one summer like other clubs have been able to do over a couple of years.

      But what we surely can do is compete for a couple of big signings in key positions to strengthen the current squad and give us the best possible chance of staying up. There is still time of course, but I'm not seeing or hearing anything so far that suggests we are really serious about bringing in real quality.

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