Thunder Bolt
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You don't even know that there was an accident on the motorway which caused a lot of the fans to arrive late!!
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Hillsborough prosecutions
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You don't even know that there was an accident on the motorway which caused a lot of the fans to arrive late!!
Beach Seagull
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Not once have i 'grizzled.' Just pointed out you resorted to personal insults......as I've seen you do on here before when other posters have disagreed with you.
Indeed it is, so chat away with the question asked of what you would do now?
The Large One
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Oh, you're grizzling, alright.
I haven't insulted you. You must be one hell of a snowflake to think that 'pitiable, pathetic, and devoid of any intelligence' is, in this context, an insult.
Meanwhile, do continue to honk your meaningless twaddle based on your knowledge of pre-90s football culture; a knowledge clearly no-one else has seeing as you've unilaterally decided that the Liverpool fans shouldn't be exonerated, while all the carefully-gathered, inspected and considered evidence show that they should.
Beach Seagull
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Didn't say it was the 'key factor.' But thousands descending on a confined area, (I would guess) many under the influence of drink and (I would guess) some without tickets is a recipe for disaster.
I think your final sentence is the weirdest of the lot. What's unfair about bringing charges?
lawros left foot
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Seeing the news tonight, it was reported that 23 individuals and organisations were investigated by the Dpp, in regards to culpability, if the 6 individuals are found guilty, can more prosecutions be brought?
The Large One
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The 'confined area' if managed properly, was not a key factor - it was a contributing factor. However, seeing as the area wasn't managed properly, that's the key issue, as confirmed by Taylor, the HIP and the Inquest.
What evidence do you have that the crowd was 'under the influence of drink' above and beyond your knowledge of pre-90s football culture? Why do you feel it was a deciding factor when Taylor, the HIP and the Inquest all decided - having reviews all of the evidence - that it wasn't?
Taylor, the HIP and the Inquest all noted that ticketlessness was not an issue - the numbers in the vicinity matched the numbers of tickets sold - a matter already dealt with earlier in this thread. No matter how many times you get told this, it's just completely washing over you, isn't it?
lawros left foot
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Is your whole opinion based on guesswork? No actual facts, at all?
Thunder Bolt
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No it isn't. Fans turn up drunk every week in the season. There are confined areas in some of the older grounds like Watford and QPR.
Why aren't there deaths every week?
Why did the jury and the Coroner's court decide that the fans were unlawfully killed. I'll say it again, UNLAWFULLY KILLED.
Why have CPS lawyers decided that at least one of the charges is Manslaughter?
Thunder Bolt
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No, he said your comment was pitiable, pathetic, and devoid of any intelligence, not you. There is a difference.
Beach Seagull
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Disasters have happened at football grounds before. Like i said and i stand by what i said to 'totally exenorate' the liverpool fans of any blame is misguided. Football fans will by nature often turn up late and drunk.
Thunder Bolt
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There haven't been disasters since. Hillsborough was a unique situation where the fans were unlawfully killed. They were directed to the centre pens, when the two side pens were empty. It wasn't the fans who caused, that but police and stewards who hadn't got a clue what they were doing.
Leekbrookgull
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If not seen before take a look. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PKzKcbOQLq4
The Large One
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Neither of which had any bearing on the disaster. Nor did any perceived ticketlessness.
So to not exonerate them isn't just misguided - it's plain wrong.
Mackenzie
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I think that Beach Seagull is owed a bit of gratitude, he has played the role of "ignorant Sun reader" to a tee and allowed a healthy discourse to ensue. I feel educated.
Well done all.
Well done all.
Cheshire Cat
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I assume that everyone who has posted on this thread is familiar with all the contents of this
https://hillsboroughinquests.independent.gov.uk/
https://hillsboroughinquests.independent.gov.uk/
Beach Seagull
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I think that Beach Seagull is owed a bit of gratitude, he has played the role of "ignorant Sun reader" to a tee and allowed a healthy discourse to ensue. I feel educated.
Well done all.
Am neither ignorant or a Sun reader. Just dared to express an opinion. Stand by what i said, many liverpool fans would've been late / drunk / ticketless.
Like many Manchester United, Chelsea, Forest, West Ham, Brighton, Palace and Arsenal fans too at an FA Cup Semi Final.
But that doesn't mean that 96 of them should have failed to go home that afternoon.
They still turn up pissed to games now, nothing has changed in that respect, but the stadia is much safer now thank god!