Hillian1
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Yeah your right, pure speculation on my part, probably not helpful.
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Massive fire in London - Grenfell Tower in Shepherds Bush
- Thread starter Dick Head
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Yeah your right, pure speculation on my part, probably not helpful.
So, the problem is the 'spec' ?
Maybe, yes. Probably even. But like almost everyone right now, you're speculating.
Why not wait for what we hope to be a full independent, transparent, no-stone-left-unturned inquiry to highlight all the failings at play here, and how they can be learned from?
I'm not saying that is the case here - I couldn't possibly know.
Just that the sub-contractor and the main contractor are trying to turn what profit they can by keeping costs as low as possible, whilst staying within the confines of that specification.
The COULD be an error in the spec, or it COULD be ambiguous and thus exploited, or the spec might be fine and the work might not actually meet it. The enquiry / inquest will be seeking to decide that, amongst many. many other things, of course.
Absolutely. My post was meant to be a general layman-explanation of the tendering processes, rather than this actual case, of which I obviously have ZERO inside information.
beorhthelm
A. Virgo, Football Genius
- Jul 21, 2003
- 35,303
which is fair enough, though that would point to a flaw in the specification, rather than saving on an inferior product as implied.
Hillian1
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I’ve lost count of the amount of Local Authority Tenders I’ve put together now, the last page always explains how the Tender is weighted, costs always being 50%.
It doesn’t ever surprise me though that the eventual winner is the one who comes in with the lowest cost.
In the case of Brighton and Hove City Council it seems that one of the criteria for awarding contracts was family connections which is why there is currently a £25 million corruption investigation ongoing against their former head of housing.
Ha.
I'd expect that the 'corruption' being investigated, in such a case, would presumably be the breaching OF the tender process, as set out.
She hasn't. The Prime Minister has been visiting victims in hospital this morning.
pb21
Well-known member
- Apr 23, 2010
- 6,294
Because the Queen has far more backbone than May.
Another protected environment.
She's showing just what kind of leader she is at the moment, unfortunately.
nb I'm not trying to score political points here.
clapham_gull
Legacy Fan
- Aug 20, 2003
- 25,310
Should have gone and met the community and taken the flak like the Mayor did.
She's obviously taken some very very bad advice.
Possibly from her chief of staff (and former housing minister)
I wrote on another thread just last night that if Theresa May visited people in hospital she would be criticised. And you've just done it. Then followed up with "not trying to score political points". Incredible.
I'm out of these threads. The tragedy is depressing enough, without the way some people carry on about it afterwards.
portlock seagull
Why? Why us?
- Jul 28, 2003
- 17,071
I understand people are angry, they are mistaken to blame May. She's just the incumbent. One guy even said had she come down here she would have been on the end of a torrent of abuse regardless. At least he was being honest. Lots of bigotted hotheads been on the airwaves recently talking utter shite just because they perceive (without any basis, just natural prejudices and speculation) matters one way or the other. Police are heroes this week but they'll be racist thugs again next etc. But it really does show how politicians are damned if do, damned if don't and in the current political and security climate it was arguably wiser not to go for a walkabout. At least she's visited families in hospital and emergency services. But to say she has a lack of humanity is just ridiculous. And seeking to score horrible crass points that's all. Irresponsible too when feelings running high. Her job right now and has been since last Sept. is to focus on Brexit. Let the delegated Ministers and Shadow Ministers scrutinise this national tragedy from here on. It's their job, not hers. People forget she doesn't run the country, tens of thousands of others do.
symyjym
Banned
That must have been the longest walk of his life (so far).
To be fair though May could have been lynched. Sadik Khanhad had bottles thrown at him apparently so there could have been riots.
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Fair enough.
At least we have some consistencies in life, and The Sun lowering its (already low) standards in order to get a story on the tragedy is one of them.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/jun/16/sun-journalist-grenfell-tower-victim-hospital?CMP=share_btn_tw
pb21
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- Apr 23, 2010
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She isn't being criticised for meeting people in hospital she is being criticised for not meeting people outside of hospital.
And I'm not trying to score political points either. Both parties have let a lot of people down in the most monumental way possible, I'm not criticising the right or the left, the tories or labour. I am criticising our PMs actions only.
symyjym
Banned
Refuted though, however if true should mean jail time for someone.