Student who stabbed boyfriend may avoid jail as it would ‘damage her career’

spring hall convert · May 17, 2017

Remember this one?

"A former Eton College student avoided jail today despite making and distributing ‘appalling’ indecent images of children and bestiality film clips.
Andrew Picard, from Westminster, London, was found with more than 2,000 pornographic images of children on his computer at the prestigious school near Windsor, Berkshire."

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...oung-two-raped-dorm-computer-spared-jail.html

Tried under his mum's maiden name to avoid embarrassment for his hotshot corporate lawyer father.

I'm no hang 'em, flog 'em type but she stabbed someone in a rage. She needs to go to prison. It's really sad that we may be denied her talents as a surgeon as a result.

brightn'ove · May 17, 2017

wellquickwoody said:
So everyone is going for the 'one law for the rich' line etc etc.......how about 'wouldn't happen if it was a bloke' angle?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethan_Couch

The Clamp · May 17, 2017

She'll end up in her 60's wondering the streets making stabby motions at people's faces, dressed in grubby frocks telling men they're perverts and shouting at trees. People will whisper "apparently, she used to be a heart surgeon, threw it all away on drugs. Used to be a bit of a sawt though I gather" and they will walk past to pick up their kids from school or get their shopping.

Buzzer · May 17, 2017

hans kraay fan club said:
Posh? Blonde? Small frame? Bit mental?

RIGHT up your street, [MENTION=5200]Buzzer[/MENTION]

No thanks. I'm done with mental birds.

Hillian1 · May 17, 2017

hans kraay fan club said:
Posh? Blonde? Small frame? Bit mental?

RIGHT up your street, [MENTION=5200]Buzzer[/MENTION]

No Tatts.

wellquickwoody · May 17, 2017

brightn'ove said:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethan_Couch

Errr, the case in question is subject to British law, Ethan Couch case was in Texas.

HastingsSeagull · May 17, 2017

Yeah she'd get it, but you probably wouldn't stick around too long from the sound of it.

Maybe she didn't like her tinder date doing just that.

Fungus · May 17, 2017

TomandJerry said:
... to prevent this extraordinary able young lady from not following her long-held desire ...

Pedant alert - I don't think he meant that!

Randsta · May 17, 2017

Should be OK if she wants to be a surgeon, gives her a bit of experience in carving someone up?!?!

Wozza · May 17, 2017

You'll never beat this one...

Ehsan Abdulaziz: Saudi millionaire who said he 'accidentally tripped and penetrated' teenage girl cleared of rape
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...etrated-teen-is-cleared-of-rape-a6774946.html

Bwian · May 17, 2017

Imagine what the sentence would be if it was a 'working class' male football supporter stabbing his girlfriend in a fit of drunken rage.

Megazone · May 17, 2017

Bwian said:
Imagine what the sentence would be if it was a 'working class' male football supporter stabbing his girlfriend in a fit of drunken rage.

it depends wether he passed his GCSE's

The Large One · May 17, 2017

Buzzer said:
I'm confused by this. The judge has said that although it ordinarily carries a prison sentence he doesn't want to impose one in case it harms her career but looking at the General Medical Council guidance, they look at it on a case by case basis and assess the seriousness and for any mitigating circumstances.

But the crime committed is exactly the same regardless of the sentence and the fact that the judge has reduced the sentence should be of little consequence because he's only mitigated it to help her career, there are no other mitigating reasons.

She's shown serious personality problems, anger issues and apparently also admitted to being a drug addict, something the GMC address specifically:

I really don't see how reducing the sentence helps this woman's potential career in medicine in any way. She's well and truly messed it up.

There's parallels with the recent case of the man who beat up his wife, but spared jail when it came to pass it might affect his cricket career with Leicestershire - as if that was some kind of mitigating circumstance. When it became clear Leicestershire CCC had never heard of him, a more appropriate sentence was handed down and he went to prison.

Here, the mitigation is she might have a career as a heart surgeon. But that mitigation may well get blown out of the water if the GMC decide that they have no intention of qualifying her to practice, especially if, as you say, she is wobbly in the head in the first place. Put it this way, come the day I would ever have to go in for heart surgery (and I have done once), I'd really, really, really, rather it wasn't her who performed it.

Billy the Fish · May 17, 2017

This is a massive over reaction from the media and everyone has got sucked in by the "posh people doing what they want" angle. It's usually the case on NSC that people who consider themselves as a liberal tend to suddenly turn authoritarian and call for harsh jail sentences whenever a crime is in the media.

This is her first offence and she's of previous good character, the judge obviously thinks she's unlikely to re-offend. There's also a mention of addiction and possible mental health issues.She's got a conviction on her record so her future career in medicine is now a moot point because she'll never pass a CRB check anywhere. Why are people so keen for her to serve a jail sentence? What purpose does it serve? :shrug:

happypig said:
My, and my colleagues view was almost always that it is not the sentence of the court that will have an adverse affect on the defendant's future, it is their own actions.
People have to take responsibility for what they do.

Maybe that's just what they tell themselves to justify a lack of empathy with people who make mistakes in life.

Billy the Fish · May 17, 2017

https://www.sentencingcouncil.org.uk/offences/item/inflicting-grievous-bodily-harm-unlawful-wounding-raciallyreligiously-aggravated-gbhunlawful-wounding/

Sentencing guidelines for unlawful wounding. There's plenty of scope in there to not give a custodial sentence.

I'm interested to know how much damage the bread knife caused to the victim's leg, that would almost certainly be taken into account.

Nixonator · May 17, 2017

Billy the Fish said:
This is a massive over reaction from the media and everyone has got sucked in by the "posh people doing what they want" angle. It's usually the case on NSC that people who consider themselves as a liberal tend to suddenly turn authoritarian and call for harsh jail sentences whenever a crime is in the media.

This is her first offence and she's of previous good character, the judge obviously thinks she's unlikely to re-offend. There's also a mention of addiction and possible mental health issues.She's got a conviction on her record so her future career in medicine is now a moot point because she'll never pass a CRB check anywhere. Why are people so keen for her to serve a jail sentence? What purpose does it serve? .

If stabbing somebody only results in having one of many career paths ruled out, then that's not much of a deterrent is it?

Be right back while I go give Archer a good stabbing, fingers crossed zero previous, good character and how unlikely I am to re-offend will serve me well.

Billy the Fish · May 17, 2017

Nixonator said:
If stabbing somebody only results in having one of many career paths ruled out, then that's not much of a deterrent is it?

Be right back while I go give Archer a good stabbing, fingers crossed zero previous, good character and how unlikely I am to re-offend will serve me well.

Stabbing is a very broad term. There's a huge difference between stabbing someone with a sharp object and causing serious injury and cutting someones leg with a bread knife. I use the term "cutting" because bread knives are usually blunt at the end so I find it difficult to believe that she did much damage, if she had i.e stitches or blood loss the media would've been all over it.

The Clamp · May 17, 2017

Billy the Fish said:
Stabbing is a very broad term. There's a huge difference between stabbing someone with a sharp object and causing serious injury and cutting someones leg with a bread knife. I use the term "cutting" because bread knives are usually blunt at the end so I find it difficult to believe that she did much damage, if she had i.e stitches or blood loss the media would've been all over it.

Blunt knives can be way more dangerous than sharp knives if used with force, certainly cause more damage than a sharp knife. Anyway, she's a self confessed drug addict and problem drinker who attacked her boyfriend with a knife before self harming. I can GUARANTEE you she NEVER be allowed to practice heart surgery. Ever. Any DBS check will barr her from any work withinthe care industry and frankly most work outside of it. She may go on to do some kind of research. If she's lucky.

Billy the Fish · May 17, 2017

The Clamp said:
Blunt knives can be way more dangerous than sharp knives if used with force, certainly cause more damage than a sharp knife. Anyway, she's a self confessed drug addict and problem drinker who attacked her boyfriend with a knife before self harming. I can GUARANTEE you she NEVER be allowed to practice heart surgery. Ever.

Of course she won't, that's an absolute given with this conviction. The Judge has been a bit silly with his words here. My gripe is with everyone swallowing the tabloid hysteria and calling for her to be jailed.

The Clamp · May 17, 2017

Billy the Fish said:
Of course she won't, that's an absolute given with this conviction. The Judge has been a bit silly with his words here. My gripe is with everyone swallowing the tabloid hysteria and calling for her to be jailed.

I have no opinion on whether she should be in jail or not. She should probably have some mental health treatment and I'm sure she probably is.

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