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Stato said:

I don't think you do 'fully agree with him' and he definitely wasn't 'right in that case'. He said that he thought heroes are people who don't get captured, not that the Vietnam war was in any way illegitimate, or that heroes don't murder innocents.

His was a cheap jibe for personal reasons made because of his own ego, not because of any moral or ideological stance. He later apologised for the crack, probably when someone explained to him that McCain's perceived heroism happened after he was captured. McCain had the opportunity to get away from his imprisonment and torture early because his captors found that he was the son of an admiral. He refused this offer, taking the view that his family connection should not give him personal protection that was not available to his colleagues. Ironically, Trump took advantage of his own family connections to avoid conscription. He didn't disagree with the war, he just protected himself. Personally I wouldn't criticise him for that. I am sure that many of us would have done the same. I am not sure that many would have done the same as McCain. For me, regardless of who he became, (and I should mention that Trump didn't refer to the latter at all in his remarks), his sacrifice was an act of heroism. I don't think you would disagree with this, but are just trying to find a way of supporting Trump in the dispute for political reasons.

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Stato said:

I don't think you do 'fully agree with him' and he definitely wasn't 'right in that case'. He said that he thought heroes are people who don't get captured, not that the Vietnam war was in any way illegitimate, or that heroes don't murder innocents.

His was a cheap jibe for personal reasons made because of his own ego, not because of any moral or ideological stance. He later apologised for the crack, probably when someone explained to him that McCain's perceived heroism happened after he was captured. McCain had the opportunity to get away from his imprisonment and torture early because his captors found that he was the son of an admiral. He refused this offer, taking the view that his family connection should not give him personal protection that was not available to his colleagues. Ironically, Trump took advantage of his own family connections to avoid conscription. He didn't disagree with the war, he just protected himself. Personally I wouldn't criticise him for that. I am sure that many of us would have done the same. I am not sure that many would have done the same as McCain. For me, regardless of who he became, (and I should mention that Trump didn't refer to the latter at all in his remarks), his sacrifice was an act of heroism. I don't think you would disagree with this, but are just trying to find a way of supporting Trump in the dispute for political reasons.

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Tyrone Biggums said:

Do we still consider people heroes if they are racist warmongers?

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Tyrone Biggums said:

Plenty of people make sacrifices in wars.

If a Viet Cong soldier saved a bunch of communists through and act of heroism will they be considered a war hero by the people who fawn over McCain? Doubt it.

So once again we see the hypocrisy and double standards of those who oppose Trump so fervently.

McCain placed himself in the situation he did because he willingly signed up to go kill people. He definitely only became a hero because he was shot down trying to do so.

Do we still consider people heroes if they are racist warmongers?

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Stato said:

.......Ironically, Trump took advantage of his own family connections to avoid conscription. He didn't disagree with the war, he just protected himself. Personally I wouldn't criticise him for that. I am sure that many of us would have done the same. I am not sure that many would have done the same as McCain. For me, regardless of who he became, (and I should mention that Trump didn't refer to the latter at all in his remarks), his sacrifice was an act of heroism. I don't think you would disagree with this, but are just trying to find a way of supporting Trump in the dispute for political reasons.

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Stato said:

You have indicated that one reason you choose to take Trump's side against McCain is that McCain was a racist. This is John McCain during his run for president speaking with the type of people that Trump persuaded to vote for him by racial scare tactics and talk of banning Muslims and walling out Mexicans.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jrnRU3ocIH4

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Gwylan said:

Hmm ..

Woman: "I'm scared of Obama ... he's an Arab"
McCain: "No, he's not ma'am, he's a decent family man"

So McCain thinks Arabs can't be decent family men, but he's not racist

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Gwylan said:

Hmm ..

Woman: "I'm scared of Obama ... he's an Arab"
McCain: "No, he's not ma'am, he's a decent family man"

So McCain thinks Arabs can't be decent family men, but he's not racist

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Gwylan said:

Hmm ..

Woman: "I'm scared of Obama ... he's an Arab"
McCain: "No, he's not ma'am, he's a decent family man"

So McCain thinks Arabs can't be decent family men, but he's not racist

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Stato said:

It seems slightly churlish to pull him up on a turn of phrase, when he is actually fronting up to racist lies and scaremongering. It would have been easy for him not to challenge her. Many other Republican candidates wouldn't have.

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Tom Hark said:

Fantastic to see Obama finally come out and give Trump both barrels. Class act as always.

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Juan Albion said:

George Papadopoulos, Trump foreign policy adviser/coffee boy, jailed.

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Blue Valkyrie said:

Must have sung like a canary to get such a short jail sentence.

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Juan Albion said:

Probably took pity on him as a young guy just trying to impress his boss, who must think liars are great.

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