JC to stay on even after electoral annhilation

Giraffe · May 9, 2017

If David Miliband puts his hat into the ring, after a Tory landslide then labour are back up and running again. He would win the Labour leadership over Corbyn on the back of a Tory landslide. Labour would then have a very credible opposition leader in the Blair mould.

I would never vote labour by the way, even if Sir Chris Hughton stood for PM and offered free blue and white shirts for everyone.

Tom Hark Preston Park · May 9, 2017

Giraffe said:
If David Miliband puts his hat into the ring, after a Tory landslide then labour are back up and running again. He would win the Labour leadership over Corbyn on the back of a Tory landslide. Labour would then have a very credible opposition leader in the Blair mould.

I really like the look of Stephen Kinnock, who talks a good non-Corbynista game. Andy Burnham seems to have taken the soft option with his Manchester mayor role. Chuka Umunna would appear to have ruled himself out of the running, presumably due to having some skeletons rattling around in his closet that the press have got hold of and are storing up for future use. To me, Caroline Lucas would make the fantastic leader of a new and progressive breakaway Green/Socialist party. Huge numbers of votes out there for the taking for anybody bold enough to break the current mould. Seems to have worked OK in France.

Ernest · May 9, 2017

Tom Hark said:
I really like the look of Stephen Kinnock, who talks a good non-Corbynista game. Andy Burnham seems to have taken the soft option with his Manchester mayor role. Chuka Umunna would appear to have ruled himself out of the running, presumably due to having some skeletons rattling around in his closet that the press have got hold of and are storing up for future use. To me, Caroline Lucas would make the fantastic leader of a new and progressive breakaway Green/Socialist party. Huge numbers of votes out there for the taking for anybody bold enough to break the current mould.

Kinnock and Miliband, please. Are you CRAZY ?

Tom Hark Preston Park · May 9, 2017

Ernest said:
Kinnock and Miliband, please. Are you CRAZY ?

Never mentioned Miliband :shrug:

Ernest · May 9, 2017

Tom Hark said:
Never mentioned Miliband

The person above you did, if you picked the TWO most USELESS Labour MP's ever you'd get those 2

Giraffe · May 9, 2017

Ernest said:
The person above you did, if you picked the TWO most USELESS Labour MP's ever you'd get those 2

And yet both would be better than Corbyn. Says all you need to know about Corbyn.

Ernest · May 9, 2017

Giraffe said:
And yet both would be better than Corbyn. Says all you need to know about Corbyn.

Neither are Labour so that rules them out and if you honestly think David Miliband or Stephen Kinnock are better than Corbyn then you have to be a TORY

Papa Lazarou · May 9, 2017

Ernest said:
The person above you did, if you picked the TWO most USELESS Labour MP's ever you'd get those 2

I think Diane Abbott would have something to say about that.

wellquickwoody · May 9, 2017

Ernest said:
The person above you did, if you picked the TWO most USELESS Labour MP's ever you'd get those 2

What about PK?

DavidinSouthampton · May 9, 2017

Cadiz Seagull said:
But who is going to throw him out? Labour party members elect the leader and he has a very solid majority there as he's proved twice. I seriously can't see how he can be removed unless he jumps ship, no matter how bad the election result.

I fear you are right. If we are canvassed over the next few weeks, we (my wife and I both in the same dilemma) would say that we are natural labour supporters, but will not vote for the party under the present leadership.

A bit of an empty threat, because we would probably vote tactically anyway, which here would be Lib-Dem, but it would be an anti-conservative and anti-everything else vote at the moment.

carlzeiss · May 9, 2017

This minx could tempt me to vote

SteveTheSeagull · May 9, 2017

Whats the point of this election even happening? It's obvious the Tories are going to stay in power. Everyone who is or was Labour is now Team Theresa.

Gwylan · May 9, 2017

Goldstone1976 said:
May is no Thatcher, so it might be harder to get the more centrist-minded Labour supporters to coalesce. There is in Miliband (D) a ready-made, credible to centrists who typically support all main parties

Giraffe said:
If David Miliband puts his hat into the ring, after a Tory landslide then labour are back up and running again. He would win the Labour leadership over Corbyn on the back of a Tory landslide. Labour would then have a very credible opposition leader in the Blair mould.

I think promotion has gone to people's heads and affected their reasoning. David Miliband has as much chance of becoming Labour leader as I have.

Just cast your minds back to 2010: Labour had narrowly lost power but were still a powerful, cohesive party. David M was the heir apparent, backed by the establishment, most of the Labour leadership and the press: he had an open goal from five metres out and still found row Z. How on earth is someone who screwed up such a glaring opportunity to lead the party going to unite a fractious party that has lost three elections on the trot? You only have to read the accounts of that leadership election to realise what a poor campaigner he was.

And that's even before you consider that he's not an MP and doesn't even live in this country. To be in with a sniff of leadership, he'd need to find a safe Labour seat (is there one?), become the PPC (no easy task with the rank and file having moved to the left) and then manage to become leader - with the membership firmly against him.

The Milibands are history now ; time to look elsewhere

Diablo · May 9, 2017

Does anyone believe his promises ??................The way he goes on there will be no rich left to squeeze !! What will happen then

DavidinSouthampton · May 9, 2017

SteveTheSeagull said:
Whats the point of this election even happening? It's obvious the Tories are going to stay in power. Everyone who is or was Labour is now Team Theresa.

While I would love to think it won't end in a landslide, I fear she will increase (at least) her majority.

But I am certainly not team Theresa and would not vote for her or her party for a large number of reasons. The expression "worse than Thatcher" has been used in our household and amongst our friends a number of times. I think she is a sanctimonious patronising hypocrite.

ditchy · May 9, 2017

carlzeiss said:
This minx could tempt me to vote

Can i have a postal vote !

DavidinSouthampton · May 9, 2017

Gwylan said:
I think promotion has gone to people's heads and affected their reasoning. David Miliband has as much chance of becoming Labour leader as I have.

Just cast your minds back to 2010: Labour had narrowly lost power but were still a powerful, cohesive party. David M was the heir apparent, backed by the establishment, most of the Labour leadership and the press: he had an open goal from five metres out and still found row Z. How on earth is someone who screwed up such a glaring opportunity to lead the party going to unite a fractious party that has lost three elections on the trot? You only have to read the accounts of that leadership election to realise what a poor campaigner he was.

And that's even before you consider that he's not an MP and doesn't even live in this country. To be in with a sniff of leadership, he'd need to find a safe Labour seat (is there one?), become the PPC (no easy task with the rank and file having moved to the left) and then manage to become leader - with the membership firmly against him.

The Milibands are history now ; time to look elsewhere

rather than talking about David M missing an open goal, I think it is all Len McCluskey's fault. As the Gen Sec of Unite the Union, he supported Ed Miliband and turned, I would perceive, the Union vote behind him. Good old Len is also probably the principal supporter of Jezza.

I say this as a member of Unite, but one that has not voted for McCluskey as leader. He was recently re-elected as Gen Sec with a not very big majority from a very small turn-out (less than 10%), and he has far too much influence.

Goldstone1976 · May 9, 2017

Gwylan said:
I think promotion has gone to people's heads and affected their reasoning. David Miliband has as much chance of becoming Labour leader as I have.

Just cast your minds back to 2010: Labour had narrowly lost power but were still a powerful, cohesive party. David M was the heir apparent, backed by the establishment, most of the Labour leadership and the press: he had an open goal from five metres out and still found row Z. How on earth is someone who screwed up such a glaring opportunity to lead the party going to unite a fractious party that has lost three elections on the trot? You only have to read the accounts of that leadership election to realise what a poor campaigner he was.

And that's even before you consider that he's not an MP and doesn't even live in this country. To be in with a sniff of leadership, he'd need to find a safe Labour seat (is there one?), become the PPC (no easy task with the rank and file having moved to the left) and then manage to become leader - with the membership firmly against him.

The Milibands are history now ; time to look elsewhere

Fair point.

Is there anyone else who is in a position to reclaim soft, wet tories, leaving aside their ability to actually secure the votes needed from the Party membership?

spring hall convert · May 9, 2017

SteveTheSeagull said:
Whats the point of this election even happening?

It's about May getting a significant majority to do exactly as she pleases (currently her own backbenchers keep getting in the way of the really bad stuff,) whilst making as few solid commitments as she possibly can away with, all the while using the doomed Brexit 'negotiations' as a subterfuge.

Diablo · May 9, 2017

DavidinSouthampton said:
a sanctimonious patronising hypocrite.

Big words sound good .... However "Sanctimonious" ? Cameron may have been and even Tony Blair but not Theresa May. "Patronising" really ? Can you explain ? and "Hypocrite" aren`t all politicians to some degree ?

I`d say May less than most.

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