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ManOfSussex

We wunt be druv
Apr 11, 2016
14,729
Rape of Hastings, Sussex
Yep. Grammar Schools. NHS. National Insurance. The Tory Triple Tax Lock.

She's been scuppered by her back benchers on these issues and has had to do U-turns. She wants a bigger majority to get these things through. Brexit is a smoke screen and providing political opportunity for her.

She'll get in, I just hope, somehow cling to a hope she doesn't increase her majority by much.

Fox hunting as well.

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http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/fox-hunt-masters-secretly-mobilising-10383202
 


nicko31

Well-known member
Jan 7, 2010
17,522
Gods country fortnightly
Yep. Grammar Schools. NHS. National Insurance. The Tory Triple Tax Lock.

She's been scuppered by her back benchers on these issues and has had to do U-turns. She wants a bigger majority to get these things through. Brexit is a smoke screen and providing political opportunity for her.

She'll get in, I just hope, somehow cling to a hope she doesn't increase her majority by much.

The country needs to vote tactically to keep the damage to a minimum, just not sure whether enough will.
 


heathgate

Well-known member
NSC Patreon
Apr 13, 2015
3,441
Why don't you just back her policies if that is who you back. Is your only argument always a comparison!?
At 54 I pride myself as not being pigeon holed into being a voter for a specific party just because I have a social, economic or ethical tradition that I cannot deviate from no matter what.

In a general election I have only voted Conservative twice (2010 and 2015).... so actually I will do as I normally do, read the manifestos.... then decide.

As for May, at the moment the case is strong for continuity in my view... but who knows, 4 weeks to go.

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nicko31

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Jan 7, 2010
17,522
Gods country fortnightly
In your not so humble opinion of course.

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A one party state is bad news whoever is in. The Tories haven't had a decent majority in 30 years, and we all know where that ended up
 




glasfryn

cleaning up cat sick
Nov 29, 2005
20,261
somewhere in Eastbourne
At 54 I pride myself as not being pigeon holed into being a voter for a specific party just because I have a social, economic or ethical tradition that I cannot deviate from no matter what.

In a general election I have only voted Conservative twice (2010 and 2015).... so actually I will do as I normally do, read the manifestos.... then decide.

As for May, at the moment the case is strong for continuity in my view... but who knows, 4 weeks to go.

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:lolol:
 


nicko31

Well-known member
Jan 7, 2010
17,522
Gods country fortnightly
At 54 I pride myself as not being pigeon holed into being a voter for a specific party just because I have a social, economic or ethical tradition that I cannot deviate from no matter what.

In a general election I have only voted Conservative twice (2010 and 2015).... so actually I will do as I normally do, read the manifestos.... then decide.

As for May, at the moment the case is strong for continuity in my view... but who knows, 4 weeks to go.

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The only continuity we are seeing right now is the continued war on foreigners, and her ability to U turn for everything else
 






trueblue

Well-known member
Jul 5, 2003
10,350
Hove
Can't say I've really bothered to look into the details of this idea yet - but as soon as I heard British Gas saying it's a bad idea, it seemed pretty much certain to be a good one. When do companies like that care about anything unless it harms their bottom line?
 


Soulman

New member
Oct 22, 2012
10,966
Sompting
Here we go the latest popularist policy which will ultimately only do damage to long term investment. reduce competition and have the reverse effect.

This isn't a Tory government, its a Theresa May government. Really hard to know what she represents, constantly changes her mind on everything. No conviction at all in my book

A different gripe every day. I get it, you loathe May, shame the opposition are sh1te.
 


nicko31

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Jan 7, 2010
17,522
Gods country fortnightly
A different gripe every day. I get it, you loathe May, shame the opposition are sh1te.

Yes Corbyn is sh1t, but the Tories would be calling him a commie if he came up with this idea (like they did to Milliband in the last election)
 








Peteinblack

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Jun 3, 2004
3,578
Bath, Somerset.
Yes Corbyn is sh1t, but the Tories would be calling him a commie if he came up with this idea (like they did to Milliband in the last election)

This ^.

The brazen hypocrisy of the Tories never ceases to astonish.
 




Westdene Seagull

aka Cap'n Carl Firecrotch
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Oct 27, 2003
20,938
The arse end of Hangleton
Can't say I've really bothered to look into the details of this idea yet - but as soon as I heard British Gas saying it's a bad idea, it seemed pretty much certain to be a good one. When do companies like that care about anything unless it harms their bottom line?

Indeed. The energy companies have taken the pee for far too long. They constantly plead poverty and that their large increases in charges are for ongoing investment but look at their profits !

I've no idea if price capping is the way to reform the industry but reform is required and both Labour and the Tories appear to be at least scratching the surface in their promises. People rightly deride the rise in people needing food banks, there are far more people in fuel poverty and the utilities required for even a basic level of living are far far too expensive. It needs a radical approach to deal with this. Maybe child benefit, winter fuel allowance and free bus passes should be scrapped and instead every adult in the UK gets a set amount of 'free' water, electricity and gas each month ?
 


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A different gripe every day. I get it, you loathe May, shame the opposition are sh1te.

It's bloody exhausting isn't it. What I did find funny was Labour, and their new policy of giving everyone free hospital parking, UKIP already had that one down years ago.
 


beorhthelm

A. Virgo, Football Genius
Jul 21, 2003
35,264
This is good - https://www.theguardian.com/global/...-inspectors-book-dismembered?CMP=share_btn_fb

Worth noting the authors but it's a pretty factual opinion piece.

what an oxymoron... and its much more opinion than factual. the core premise, that the state is shrinking to lowest level under the Conservatives, ignores it was lower for two periods under the last Labour governement (about 34% of GDP in 2002, 34.5% in 2008). more generally overlooks the real problem, the massive cost of welfare and unfunded state pension, health, and education competing for state funding. no party is offing to increase general taxation by 5-10% to pay for all the things we apparently want, so here we are.
 






studio150

Well-known member
Jul 30, 2011
29,553
On the Border
Indeed. The energy companies have taken the pee for far too long. They constantly plead poverty and that their large increases in charges are for ongoing investment but look at their profits !

I've no idea if price capping is the way to reform the industry but reform is required and both Labour and the Tories appear to be at least scratching the surface in their promises. People rightly deride the rise in people needing food banks, there are far more people in fuel poverty and the utilities required for even a basic level of living are far far too expensive. It needs a radical approach to deal with this. Maybe child benefit, winter fuel allowance and free bus passes should be scrapped and instead every adult in the UK gets a set amount of 'free' water, electricity and gas each month ?

Government fixing pricing doesn't work, as those around in the 1970s will be able to confirm.

The imposition of a tariff across the industry removes any competition as the unit price is fixed at the cap by all suppliers. There is no incentive for investment, so this gets pulled back. This is not a good time for drastically reducing investment as the country should be moving away from carbon based energy production.

The only way to improve pricing is to have greater competition between the suppliers, and also to make it more easy and simple to switch suppliers, Many people already do look around and switch suppliers, but there is still a resistance/reluctance to change which needs to be overcome.

Hopefully the voters will see through this gimmick.
 


Triggaaar

Well-known member
Oct 24, 2005
49,987
Goldstone
Blinkers, you say?

2013 - http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ing-energy-prices-boosting-minimum-wage-.html

"'The lights will go out over Britain': Shares in energy firms drop 5% amid warnings of blackouts from Miliband's plan to freeze bills."

2017 - http://www.dailymail.co.uk/wires/pa...ilies-100-year-capping-rip-energy-prices.html

"Theresa May vows to save families £100 a year by capping `rip off´ energy prices."
So what you're saying, is that you're no more blinkered than the Daily Mail.

Fair enough, that's some standard you hold yourself to.
 



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