portslade seagull
Well-known member
If you want to bankrupt the country vote Corbyn. Pie in the sky policies with no hope of paying for them. Labour have done it before and would do it again
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- Thread starter Titanic
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If you want to bankrupt the country vote Corbyn. Pie in the sky policies with no hope of paying for them. Labour have done it before and would do it again
Buzzer
Languidly Clinical
- Oct 1, 2006
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I'm not sure Labour are in any position to accuse anyone else of privatising the NHS after their love affair with PFI and the cost to the UK taxpayer.
You know my politics and I am against the concept of nationalisation as a matter of principle but I do think there's a very good case for going back to those contracts that Alan Milburn et al approved and demanding they be re-negotiated or bought out at a fair value.
The tories haven't even TRIED to cost any of their policies and when pushed on the fact, have begrudgingly and with long-winded answers, said they don't have a clue yet. The few they have given answers for have shown they don't add up. Need I remind you that borrowing is up with this tory government and they've missed every financial target theyve set on the deficit. I have some sympathy with your opinion about labour, but It's not like we can trust the tories, when all the evidence is staring us in the face.
midnight_rendezvous
Well-known member
You realise the Tories have stacked up more debt than every Labour government in history... combined? Labour have costed their manifesto. Unlike the Tories. Austerity is NOT working. Well, it's making the rich richer and the poor poorer so from that point of view the Tories must be rubbing their hands together. Here is a link that may shed some light to dispel the myth that Labour are economically inept.
http://www.taxresearch.org.uk/Blog/...the-biggest-borrowers-over-the-last-70-years/
midnight_rendezvous
Well-known member
I'm not sure Labour are in any position to accuse anyone else of privatising the NHS after their love affair with PFI and the cost to the UK taxpayer.
You know my politics and I am against the concept of nationalisation as a matter of principle but I do think there's a very good case for going back to those contracts that Alan Milburn et al approved and demanding they be re-negotiated or bought out at a fair value.
PFI has certainly been horrendous value for taxpayers and New Labour have to take some of the responsibility for that.
Two Professors
Two Mad Professors
Nuff said!
Buzzer
Languidly Clinical
- Oct 1, 2006
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a LOT of responsibility, I'd say. And I reckon there's a far more compelling case for some sort of nationalisation or intervention regarding those contracts than re-nationalising water or electricity companies.
Hey , I would love the 15% back . If i thought Jez could do it I might be tempted .
midnight_rendezvous
Well-known member
How does selling weapons to the Middle East to kill people in the Middle East help with counter-terrorism
Not quite sure that counts as justification in the killing of innocent people (or the selling of weapons to a country that is continually commiting human rights violations)
midnight_rendezvous
Well-known member
PFI was introduced by the Tories under John Major. Yes, it was expanded by Tony Blair. But, despite frequently calling for an end to "Labours flawed PFI program" whilst in opposition, in 2011 George Osborne rebranded and continued the PFI gravy train under the "PFI 2" banner.
Buzzer
Languidly Clinical
- Oct 1, 2006
- 26,121
Brilliant deflection. Every single reply from you is "...but the Tories..."
Mackenzie
Old Brightonian
To be honest they're all shitbags. Just draw a big hairy cock on your ballot sheet......with cum coming out the end. Probably.
drew
Drew
But he is correct!
No he's not!...it's the standard automated response from any lefty who cannot put up a genuine retort to a specific argument they don't like the honest answer of!!!
bWize
Well-known member
- Nov 6, 2007
- 1,685
Most are to be fair! Corbyn may be a few things in certain people's eyes, but he's hardly a shit bag is he? He stands by his principles and I honestly think he is what this country is crying out for right now.
So have ANY of those things actually have been PROVEN to have killed UK children? No.
Has Jezza suggested a 'cup of tea and a chat with ISIS'? Yes.
drew
Drew
So you are saying that Major didn't introduce PFIs and Osborne didn't continue them?
You bang on about lefties but why aren't the righties answer any points raised. 6 of 1 and half a dozen of the other.
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Last party on this earth I want running this country is Labour. I will never forgive them, they wrecked my country. No thanks and go away.
Neville's Breakfast
Well-known member
I think the problem with Labour's costings is the suggestion that it will be the rich who pay for the extra spending. If I thought this would happen they would get my vote. Unfortunately these people and corporations are likely to simply move their
assets and income to a different and more favourable jurisdiction. I know someone who did just that in 1997. Countries such as Ireland and Switzerland are attractive alternatives. The problem is that these are the wealth and job creators. Labour in Government can't touch these people so to pay for their promises they will do as they always do and tax the middle. Now, you might think that middle class house owners are wealthy but the reality in most cases is mortgage to the hilt and families to bring up. These are soft targets for taxation but often have little disposable income. When the media talks about lack of trust in Corbyn it
is not some sort of conspiracy but rather a reflection of a genuine fear felt by those on middle incomes that their family income will be reduced under Labour. There is an enormous amount of financial sacrifice in bringing up a family and this will be the biggest factor in the election.
