Nixonator
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Now that's some some rhetoric I can get on board with.
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Now that's some some rhetoric I can get on board with.
It was a wonderful story, one that betfair and others should have capitalised on. 'Gamble irresponsibly... It CAN pay off.. disclaimer: sometimes'
I'm just saying it's probably harder with bigger egos, think that's a fair comment?
Nixonator
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It's no fairytale, that much is obvious to all other than the wax lyrical SKY like to bang out.
I simply disagree the money they spent means we have to congratulate them with a 'but we did it more fairly'. I'd like to think that they are fully aware of how ****ed up the financial divide is between the PL.
Are you a secret Toon fan by any chance?
Nixonator
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Give over, our squad isn't that good.
We're in danger of being bogged down by semantics here but think about what is meant by "guarantee". We definitely don't have the best GK/RB/CB's/LB/DM/RW/AM/LW/ and it's debatable whether we have the best CM or CF.
I think you're overestimating our squad and underestimating your achievement.
You're also applying the rules of inflated Premier League wages to the broader world. Compare the players, not the pay-packets. Stops you valuing Moussa Sissoko above Sigurdsson (or a cup of cold vomit).
Think about what kind of squad you'd need to guarantee the title. Not put you in a good position, not improve your chances, but guarantee promotion. Benitez built a squad that gave us a good chance, and he did that with a big budget for this league, but it would have cost double that to guarantee the title.
I'm beginning to think BG has taken a turn for the aquatic.
Kalimantan Gull
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We've had it all season long. Failed to beat Fulham? But look what you spent! Fail to beat Huddersfield "But parachute payments?!" Smash Reading "Well, of course you did, you spent a fortune".
So when we clinch automatic promotion with games to spare, and the very first thing people say after "Congratulations" is "I mean, obviously a can of tuna could have guided a team that cost that much up, but well done anyway", it rankles. If you (indefinite you) want to congratulate us, feel free. If you (indefinite you) can't do it without caveating your (indefinite your) little tuches off, I wouldn't bother..
I think you've done pretty well Mr Fish, both in getting promoted and in defending yourself on here. Yes, you are always going to get the ' but you spent £55m on players' argument, and you just have to suck it up at this point. I mean, what could have happened? You could have turned up here in our Championship with your Benitez, and your Shelvey and your Mitrovic and Ashley's millions going here there and everywhere on players and wages, and your 50,000 crowds in St James Park, and media focus on your every move - and f**ked it up. THEN we'd have been laughing!
But you didn't, so all we have left is some grudging respect. He did well Benitez - is the stat only 2 relegated teams in the last 18 to go straight back up? Putting an entirely new squad together and expecting them to gel instantly is hard - we've tried it in the past, many have tried it, it rarely if ever works, so the fact you've done it is impressive, regardless of the cost. You escaped the fate of Leeds or Wednesday, getting eternally stuck down here. From here on your next target is set a lot higher than ours - you've got one of the best managers in the world and a sizeable transfer kitty - keep Benitez for another couple of seasons and you'll be challenging up there at the top end. But right now we're ahead of you and hopefully the final table will show that, which is very nice indeed for those of a southern ilk
See, why are you referencing Benitez at all?
Everyone think Hughton has done brilliantly, everyone think he's deserved this, everyone think he's a bloody nice bloke.
If there's a player who considers himself far better than his teammates, yes. The sort that overtly shrug their shoulders at the 'mistakes' of others or stands there fed up. Dmitri Payet at West Ham this season.
I think you've done pretty well Mr Fish, both in getting promoted and in defending yourself on here. Yes, you are always going to get the ' but you spent £55m on players' argument, and you just have to suck it up at this point. I mean, what could have happened? You could have turned up here in our Championship with your Benitez, and your Shelvey and your Mitrovic and Ashley's millions going here there and everywhere on players and wages, and your 50,000 crowds in St James Park, and media focus on your every move - and f**ked it up. THEN we'd have been laughing!
But you didn't, so all we have left is some grudging respect. He did well Benitez - is the stat only 2 relegated teams in the last 18 to go straight back up? Putting an entirely new squad together and expecting them to gel instantly is hard - we've tried it in the past, many have tried it, it rarely if ever works, so the fact you've done it is impressive, regardless of the cost. You escaped the fate of Leeds or Wednesday, getting eternally stuck down here. From here on your next target is set a lot higher than ours - you've got one of the best managers in the world and a sizeable transfer kitty - keep Benitez for another couple of seasons and you'll be challenging up there at the top end. But right now we're ahead of you and hopefully the final table will show that, which is very nice indeed for those of a southern ilk
Cheers.
It is a promising time, hopefully Benitez will have his ambition matched by the owner as it's certainly matched by the fans. I doubt we'll be challenging at the top end of the Premier League any time soon though. We've fallen too far too quickly, our best players on their best days wouldn't get into the squads of Man City or Chelsea. Unless we spend a fairly staggering amount it'll take years to usurp the likes of Stoke, and Southampton, let alone one of the top 6. Or of course we could randomly see a "Class of 92" come through our youth ranks, but I've more chance of winning the lottery.
Whatever happens between now and the end of the season this has been like Rocky II. Slugging it out for ages and now it looks like we're all punched out.
Could be worse.
How do Leeds, Norwich and Villa fans feel right now?
Jealous, angry, bitter?
How do Leeds, Norwich and Villa fans feel right now?
Jealous, angry, bitter?
With tw*ts like Monk and Wagner jumping into the ring to steal the limelight, but being KO'd into touch.
It's not a football fairytale, but neither was it a foregone conclusion and as such it should be lauded as a good achievement. An achievement that doesn't in any way, detract from Hguhton's at Brighton.
You're too defensive.
Nobody has claimed it isn't an achievement. We've just put that achievement in context, nothing more.
Kalimantan Gull
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Benitez won't hang around if the ambition is to usurp Stoke and Southampton. I think you'll spend a staggering amount - I also think he'll buy very shrewdly from overseas. This is a Champions-League winning manager
lawros left foot
Glory hunting since 1969
I'm not having a pop at all, I'm glad the Geordies have been promoted, I've had some very memorable weekends in Newcastle back in the day, and made some good mates up there, but, how much did your club lose on the Premier League players, that you sold, to fund your Championship squad?
A club our size, could never match your spending, and nor could all but about 7 or 8 teams in the country, but good luck to you, out of the three relegated clubs, you got it right, Villa are a basket case, and Norwich didn't invest enough.
Other clubs should also have an exemption when the Toon come to town in that case and stick them up in the nosebleed seats. It's only fair.
lawros left foot
Glory hunting since 1969
When the extra tier is added to the Amex, they can go up there.