Fiscal Failings from Labour Again

JC Footy Genius · Apr 23, 2017

ComRes Poll CON 50%(+4), LAB 25%(nc), LDEM 11%(nc), UKIP 7%(-2), GRN 3%(-1) - It echoes the same pattern we’ve seen in every other poll conducted since the general election was announced – UKIP dropping, the Conservatives increasing, and a huge lead for the Tories. The fifty point share for the Conservatives is apprently the highest ComRes have ever shown for anyone

One element to the massive poll lead is percieved economic competence/credibility. A crushing verdict for Corbyn/McDonnell considering the Tories have consistantly failed to meet their deficit reduction targets.

I remember some Labour supporting peeps hoping that Corbyn being a real Socialist would reverse Labours decline in Scotland ...

Panelbase/S Times – SNP 44%(-6), CON 33%(+18), LAB 13%(-11), LDEM 5%(-3)
Survation/S Post – SNP 43%(-7), CON 28%(+13), LAB 18%(-6), LDEM 9%(+1)

http://ukpollingreport.co.uk/

GoldWithFalmer · Apr 23, 2017

Herr Tubthumper said:
"£1,640,000,000,000: That's the record debt now owed by Britain"

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£1,905,003,594,082 Germany for comparison

Converted from Euro to Sterling.

Obviously our Debt to GDP ratio is slightly higher than Germany,yet our economic prowess is less too,hmm not good either way it's dressed up..For all of us.

The Spanish · Apr 23, 2017

Herr Tubthumper said:
At twice the average annual salary I'd say they are

http://metro.co.uk/2015/11/18/how-does-your-salary-compare-with-the-rest-of-the-country-5511194/

"The median average UK salary is currently £27,531 while the City of London is the highest-earning region, boasting an average salary of £48,023."

What's the average salary for an MEP

Using the difference between average salary in the City and the UK average as some sort of proof the bankers a remote cabal is the maddest thing ever. Yeah those shadowy manipulative figures on 40 grand a year eh. Exactly my point, it's a vast employer to hundreds of thousands of normal people. The fact the U.K. Average is far lower means little in real terms, I am sure the average salary in central Manchester is far higher than in Hartlepool, does that imply anything sinister about what goes on in central Manchester?

Uh_huh_him · Apr 23, 2017

beorhthelm said:
point is this soundbite that "Tories add more to the debt" is politically dishonest, especially from those that want to see spending increase.

That maybe true, however the soundbite that the "Tories can be trusted with the economy and Labour can't " is equally misleading.
But it is this soundbite that you will hear far more often in the media.

Chicken Run · Apr 23, 2017

attila said:
The bankers caused the crisis in 2008. Let them pay for it. And people voted for Brexit despite dour economic forecasts, which proves they don't care what the City says anyway. Screw the casino bankers' gambling deficit. Decent elderly & hospital care, decent schools, minimum wage of £10, end to zero hours contracts, proper taxes on the rich to pay for it all, renationalise the railways and utilities (without compensation in the case of Southern Rail.) And we're out of the EU soon so Brussels won't be able to interfere. Go Jezza.
Make June the end of May!

Had a very civil conversation with a large group of Peter Kyle volunteers yesterday in Hove, apparently the consistent message on the doorsteps is. ABC, that's anyone but Corbyn! So I agree GO Jezza!

Sorrel · Apr 23, 2017

Bank Holidays are the same in England and Wales (8 days), but are different in Scotland (9 days) and Northern Ireland (10 days). The power to grant additional bank holidays is also devolved to the Scottish parliament.

Therefore in theory the proposal from Labour would create additional holidays in England, Wales and Northern Ireland - but not in Scotland. In practice it is Labour Party policy to give the devolved assemblies the right to determine their own bank holidays and therefore this proposal is actually only relevant to England.

For England it would create additional bank holidays on the 1st of March, 17th of March, 23rd of April and the 30th of November, if those days were not on a weekend.

While having a day off on the 23rd of April would be popular I'm not sure putting extra holidays in March and November would be the best way of distributing holidays in England: copying the Scottish early August holiday would be better received I would think.

Soulman · Apr 23, 2017

Uh_huh_him said:
There will never be any proof.
The current state of the economy is apparently still Labour's fault, even after 7 years of Tory management to put it right or at least improve it.
I daresay that if the economy suffers post-brexit, the media and Tories will still be droning on about "where's the gold?" and "There's no money left" notes and the failings of Gordon Brown's government.

Maybe you will be right and the economy will improve after brexit. i hope so... i just don't see any evidence to suggest it will.

Decent response, a lot of ifs and buts, I can see what you are saying. The poster I was responding to though stated "52% have voted away a prosperous future for our next generation"....where and how does he come to this conclusion whilst dissing the opinion of the 52%. If the evidence or proof is there I have yet to see it, much the same as other predictions before aND straight after the vote, which was 10 MONTHS ago today.

Don Quixote · Apr 23, 2017

It's been a long time now since a Labour government. I think it is time to stop blaming them for everything. For me they are both as bad as each other with the economy. They serve themselves and their parties, not the country as a whole. If you only look to the next five years, how can you ever sort out the economy?

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Soulman · Apr 23, 2017

Don Quixote said:
It's been a long time now since a Labour government. I think it is time to stop blaming them for everything. For me they are both as bad as each other with the economy. They serve themselves and their parties, not the country as a whole. If you only look to the next five years, how can you ever sort out the economy?

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Many do not blame Labour for everything. I am working class, work in Construction and have been better off under the Tories, it pains me to say it because it should not be that way.
I look at the likes of Corbyn, McDonnel, Abbott etc and am dismayed. I will never vote for them again, 1997 was the last time.

The Spanish · Apr 23, 2017

If anyone thinks no one sees through the appeal to nationalism and the cynical move on bank holidays, is mad. Reminds us of the worst excesses of mandelson, I will never vote labour again no matter how many days I get off on st George's day, as long as the likes of thornberry are in the party and I know they still despise us deep down.

Soulman · Apr 23, 2017

The Spanish said:
If anyone thinks no one sees through the appeal to nationalism and the cynical move on bank holidays, is mad. Reminds us of the worst excesses of mandelson, I will never vote labour again no matter how many days I get off on st George's day, as long as the likes of thornberry are in the party and I know they still despise us deep down.

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drew · Apr 23, 2017

The Spanish said:
If anyone thinks no one sees through the appeal to nationalism and the cynical move on bank holidays, is mad. Reminds us of the worst excesses of mandelson, I will never vote labour again no matter how many days I get off on st George's day, as long as the likes of thornberry are in the party and I know they still despise us deep down.

Anyone who decides to vote based on whether or not we have more bank holidays shouldn't be allowed to vote and equally anyone who thinks people will vote purely on this issue should be kept from the ballot box.

Deleted member 22389 · Apr 23, 2017

The Spanish said:
If anyone thinks no one sees through the appeal to nationalism and the cynical move on bank holidays, is mad. Reminds us of the worst excesses of mandelson, I will never vote labour again no matter how many days I get off on st George's day, as long as the likes of thornberry are in the party and I know they still despise us deep down.

Pathetic isn't it. Labour still treating people like idiots. I too will never vote for the labour party again. Blair ruined our country, and left British people feeling like 2nd class citizens.

carlzeiss · Apr 23, 2017

attila said:
The bankers caused the crisis in 2008. Let them pay for it. And people voted for Brexit despite dour economic forecasts, which proves they don't care what the City says anyway. Screw the casino bankers' gambling deficit. Decent elderly & hospital care, decent schools, minimum wage of £10, end to zero hours contracts, proper taxes on the rich to pay for it all, renationalise the railways and utilities (without compensation in the case of Southern Rail.) And we're out of the EU soon so Brussels won't be able to interfere. Go Jezza.
Make June the end of May!

Make the rich pay , vote for Jezza :thumbsup:

Soulman · Apr 23, 2017

drew said:
Anyone who decides to vote based on whether or not we have more bank holidays shouldn't be allowed to vote and equally anyone who thinks people will vote purely on this issue should be kept from the ballot box.

I think the poster has put up many views and points over the years re Labours decline and foolishness, I think he may have just been addressing this point as it was highlighted, I expect you knew this though and will allow him his vote in the future.

GoldWithFalmer · Apr 23, 2017

bashlsdir said:
Pathetic isn't it. Labour still treating people like idiots. I too will never vote for the labour party again. Blair ruined our country, and left British people feeling like 2nd class citizens.

Some of us have always seen the light and never voted for them.

The Clamp · Apr 23, 2017

studio150 said:
With a few shouting cut bankers wages perhaps they can explain how this will be done. What is the definition of a banker. Is it everyone who works for a bank including counter staff, cleaners or only bank staff who earn over a stated threshold, a cap on bonuses or what.
Why not focus on public service workers who earn more than the prime minister.

There us a clear issue with Corporation Tax given Brexit and the stated desire to have a rate of Corporation Tax that attracts and retains companies and investment.

Still let's tax the rich more where the rich seems to be defined as anyone who through a combination if academic and professional qualification and hard work are earning more than £20k

Yeah, just leave them all to it. Let failing banks that the public bailed out award their CEO's huge bonuses and salary hikes.
Let corporations choose how much tax they pay or create the "legal" framework that allows them to pay virtually none.

I don't know how to reign this in but I'm saying what I think should be done , not how to do it.

Soulman · Apr 23, 2017

bashlsdir said:
Pathetic isn't it. Labour still treating people like idiots. I too will never vote for the labour party again. Blair ruined our country, and left British people feeling like 2nd class citizens.

Yep, and 3rd class if you are English.

GoldWithFalmer · Apr 23, 2017

Labour and Brown bailed out the banks rightly or wrongly,the banks we are told are vital to the EU and the UK,why begrudge them their bonuses..Tic

PILTDOWN MAN · Apr 23, 2017

carlzeiss said:
Make the rich pay , vote for Jezza

Jealousy is a horrible trait

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