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General Election 2017
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what are we talking about here full time care or a bit of home help?
highflyer
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- Jan 21, 2016
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I support many of Labour's policies. And the overall direction of travel that they are indicating. I also think Jeremy Corbyn has far more about him than he is given credit for.
At some point we do have to confront the fact that very large corporations, operating effective monopolies, are causing far too much power to be concentrated in the hands of a few - and that in turn is closely linked with the growing inequality, and environmental degradation,which very few believe is sustainable in the long run. You can call this 'neolibralism', or just capitalism gone wrong. But it cannot be ignored for much longer if we want things to carry on improving for the majority.
The current Labour leadership is at least putting forward different ideas to tackle this and I believe are genuine in their intent to take on vested interests.
But, in the (still very unlikely) event of them winning, they will struggle to implement. No doubt. They are inexperienced, will have massive external resources lined up against them (including a very large part of the press). They will also be fighting some pretty difficult internal battles. Most of those in Labour with experience of government will want to see them fail. And civil servants (who they will rely on for guidance and detailed implementation) are mainly small c conservatives and very resistant to doing anything they are not familiar with.
So doubts about how capable Labour would be of delivering are very valid in my view. It would likely get messy!
But I'd still rather have a group trying their best to do the right thing than a bunch of elite, corrupt, duplicious, fox hunting arses who may well be able to run things efficiently but only with a view to looking after the interests of a small wealthy minority.
Its always a strange anomaly that house prices should somehow be ignored in any calculation of wealth, especially when accessing public funds, even accepting the personal affinity to a family house, but ultimately as I understand it, this way you stay in the house and only get the charge on your estate when you have died, of course the benefactors would prefer full access to that properties full value but that in itself negates the personal affinity part of the argument.
Why should someone with a £200,000 home with £100,000 savings be looked at demonstrably less favourably than someone with a house worth £300,000 with no savings with similar care demands ?
Likewise. In the original poll I voted UKIP ( as I did in the last GE ) and was then veering towards Tory. BUT the religious nutter the Tories have put into Hove has changed my mind. She refuses to give her view on Brexit and believes in healing hands. I'd almost tolerate that but the reprehensible policy the Tories have proposed for social care in the home for the elderly is the straw. I've never agreed with people being forced to sell their homes to fund care home care but to now include the value of their home and force them to sell it after their death to fund in home care is nothing short of selling your own Grandmother.
I have completely opposing views on Brexit than Peter Kyle but he is a decent MP who has fought for his constituency but I can no longer consider voting for the Tories when they have such a disgusting disregard for the elderly.
I'd like to be a fly on the wall at Conservative HQ reflecting on the narrowing (to varying degrees) poll leads.
Their all but non-engagement in this campaign is pretty insulting to the electorate, and you do have to wonder if they have any kind of self-awareness at all.
It may be the worst election I can remember, in terms of the quality available, but it sure is fascinating.
Their all but non-engagement in this campaign is pretty insulting to the electorate, and you do have to wonder if they have any kind of self-awareness at all.
It may be the worst election I can remember, in terms of the quality available, but it sure is fascinating.
jakarta
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I see NSC has reverted to the delusional political stance that Labour will win the General Election.
There are going to be a lot of disappointed NSCers come the morning of June 9th...
There are going to be a lot of disappointed NSCers come the morning of June 9th...
Putting BoJo on the telly yesterday certainly didn't help. No wonder they are not engaging if their Foreign Secretary puts up the show that he did on Peston.
highflyer
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- Jan 21, 2016
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I rather liked an observation I heard on the radio that the Tory's decision to put out a manifesto that so risked alienating their core base (pensioners) was akin to One Direction putting out a new album entitled 'teenage girls are fat and ugly'.
Hard to pull back from what they've said now (cos they have to be strong and stable)...and they know that May performs badly when pushed out to engage with the media and public. So I expect an all out assault on Corbyn/Abbot. Expect a lot more in the right wing press on IRA, nuclear weapons, and whatever else they can dig up.
jakarta
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May well have taken the eye off the ball, given the calibre of the opposition not a huge surprise...
happypig
Staring at the rude boys
The Conservatives should be on course for a 100+ majority which would give them the ability to put through whatever policies they want, whether on the manifesto or not. Given this, you would have expected them to put forward a bland manifesto pretty much devoid of anything controversial or revolutionary. Instead they have put forward something that is turning off their elderly supporters in their thousands.
It almost leads me to wonder whether May & some other senior tories secretly still want Brexit to fail (was Boris ever really pro?) but knows that scuppering it would be the end of the Tories and that "Hard Brexit" would be disastrous for Britain.
Their choice - they are lucky enough to be able to afford to choose where to live so they should pay for their own heating.
I don't think a poll on a football forum is going to reflect a national election! Even now with a 9 point lead nationally & shy Tory syndrome, Empress Ming is going to have to really screw up to blow this. Even then Labour are all but finished in Scotland & we'll get a hung parliament.
What would be nice is if we got a bit of a contest. She has assumed a coronation & it's coming back to bite her in the bum.
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I do wonder whether the media is somehow toying with us, in the sense that the campaign started with nothing but a Tory landslide and with the hours and pages to fill an order came down from the editors and producers to turn on the Tories and start giving them a little kicking, try and create a semblance of a competitive election.
I suspect that once achieved they will soon turn back to highlight Labours real inadequacies and the Tories will resume their dominance, it perhaps tells a story of the power of the media, they themselves might see themselves as the only real opposition.
I suspect that once achieved they will soon turn back to highlight Labours real inadequacies and the Tories will resume their dominance, it perhaps tells a story of the power of the media, they themselves might see themselves as the only real opposition.
You didn't read the poll question. We were asked who we were going to vote for not who do we think is going to win the election, The two questions are very different: it's like assuming that because 99% of us would support the Albion away to Chelsea, 99% of us reckon we'd win
Thunder Bolt
Silly old bat
It's funny you should say that because there's a big row brewing over the Scottish leaders debate, with a member of the audience, saying that on a nurses' pay she has had to use foodbanks.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/furious-nurse-savages-snp-leader-10472207
Firstly the SNP tried to say she was a Tory councillors wife, which was untrue. BUT, the public have found out that she has been on QT before, and is not working in the NHS, but for a BUPA hospital earning £29K, spent Christmas in New York and sends her child to an 11K private school.
https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/ne...banks-online-snaps-swanky-meals-and-champagne
Maybe, if you're going on tv as a plant, it's wise to delete your Facebook account first.
Interesting to see both the Tories and Labour pumping money into Adwords for the term 'Dementia tax'. Modern, campaigning, eh?
Ernest
Stupid IDIOT
The sheer hypocrisy of the Tories and their media chums....
While the mainstream media focuses on Jeremy Corbyn’s alleged “support” for the IRA, it is conveniently ignoring a Conservative politician who actually used to be a member. And even said that:
I agreed with the shooting of British soldiers and believed the more who were killed the better.
Smear. Lie. Repeat
Following last week’s release of their shambolic manifesto, Theresa May’s poll ratings have taken a significant slump in the past couple of days. To accompany this downturn we’ve see the Tories’ loyal attack dogs in the media attempting to smear the opposition with anything they can get their hands on.
Full article: http://evolvepolitics.com/realise-current-conservative-politician-literally-member-ira-right/
While the mainstream media focuses on Jeremy Corbyn’s alleged “support” for the IRA, it is conveniently ignoring a Conservative politician who actually used to be a member. And even said that:
I agreed with the shooting of British soldiers and believed the more who were killed the better.
Smear. Lie. Repeat
Following last week’s release of their shambolic manifesto, Theresa May’s poll ratings have taken a significant slump in the past couple of days. To accompany this downturn we’ve see the Tories’ loyal attack dogs in the media attempting to smear the opposition with anything they can get their hands on.
Full article: http://evolvepolitics.com/realise-current-conservative-politician-literally-member-ira-right/
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