General Election 2017

Raleigh Chopper said:

So to sum it up.
Public sector workers get no pay rise because there is no magic money tree.
1 billion is picked from this non existent tree, waved at those workers who save lives working a 12 hour shift but snatched away to buy a few seats in the commons so that they can push through no extra pay for public sector workers.
And people actually voted to keep these animals in power.
This is no longer the decent country I was brought up in, it's gone down the Khazi, hang your heads in total shame if you voted Conservative, they really do detest the poor and the vulnerable.

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Raleigh Chopper said:

So to sum it up.
Public sector workers get no pay rise because there is no magic money tree.
1 billion is picked from this non existent tree, waved at those workers who save lives working a 12 hour shift but snatched away to buy a few seats in the commons so that they can push through no extra pay for public sector workers.
And people actually voted to keep these animals in power.
This is no longer the decent country I was brought up in, it's gone down the Khazi, hang your heads in total shame if you voted Conservative, they really do detest the poor and the vulnerable.

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Raleigh Chopper said:

Very well put, it really is totally pathetic, like they think that they are actually Tory MP's and they must tow the party line, even though we have a massive child poverty problem, makes me want to throw up.

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Raleigh Chopper said:

Public sector workers have been held to 1% since 2013, they have done there bit for far too long, and 1 Billion is waved under their noses and snatched away, how can anyone with an ounce of decency not want them to be given more pay, people on 70k should have their tax raised by 1p and 100k by 2p they really would not miss it, as far as I am aware there has been no tax hikes for the rich since austerity began, it is there turn now. i dont get why people would not agree to this, its just fair.

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cirC said:

We all see things in a different perspective..

Any inheritance that the kids were hoping for may well go down the gutter to join JC's mates.

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cirC said:

We all see things in a different perspective..
http://i67.tinypic.com/w9afxs.jpg[/IMG/QUOTE] Desperate stuff.

Where exactly should "millionaire" JC have lived for the past 30 years? Or are you referring to all his shareholdings, buy-to-let portfolio and tax avoidance...??

The mainly inherited demographic bias among the young people cheering him is the result of decades of policy that he seeks to change. It is an almighty challenge but he has a Labour manifesto that would go some of the way and he is convincing more supporters about it every day.

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attila said:

A reflection on the Corbyn/Glastonbury event and the Corbyn phenomenon, for want of a better word, in general.

There's nothing new about Jeremy: he's been saying the same thing for 35 years.

It's not a personality cult. He was an unassuming Left backbench candidate in a leadership election transformed by a rule change who has risen magnificently to the - gloriously unexpected - challenges he faces.

It's the IDEAS he represents which have struck a chord. Ideas reviled and written off for so long, their exponents mostly ignored by the mainstream media and if discussed at all dismissed as 'dinosaurs' - while hundreds of thousands of people never forsook those ideas and hoped for a day when their essential justice and goodness would once again bring them to mass acceptance.

I can talk about this first hand. I have earned my living as a socialist performance poet for 36 years more or less ignored by mainstream media but, I'm happy to say, supported by thousands of people all over the world.

The most wonderful compliment I have had at my gigs through the decades has also been the most common one. 'Thank you for saying what you are saying, I thought I was on my own and no one thought like me any more'.

Through my travels over all those years I always knew there were thousands, nay, millions of us out there and all we needed was a banner to unite under.

Ironically, of course, it was a Labour leadership election rule change brought in by the Right to assuage the Tory press by 'lessening the power of the unions' which gave us that unifying banner - and the rest is history!

It's not just the young. Our support goes right across the board and a massive element of it is people who had completely given up on 'politics' ('they're all the same') and now see a reason to vote - and in many cases get involved too.

A great example of this is my own constituency of East Worthing & Shoreham. A 16,000 Tory majority reduced to 5,000, simply by having a good local candidate presenting a manifesto which addressed the concerns of people beaten down by endless years of Tory austerity, while appealing to the kindness of their fellow citizens who are doing OK. It was THAT which resonated in our comparatively comfortable (with pockets of extreme poverty) bit of West Sussex.

A manifesto of hope and fairness, the opposite of Tory appeals to naked self interest. The number of comfortably off people I spoke to who said 'I voted Tory in the past but I am ashamed of the food banks and the homelessness in this country and am very happy to pay more to live in a more caring society...'A manifesto which is resonating for sure. Half the population want taxes increased to end austerity.

We mustn't get carried away. We didn't win. We lost 4-3 in the away leg of a two leg tie when we were expected to lose 7-0, and only lost at all because the opposition have teamed up with a feeder club with a disciplinary record worse than George Best, Joey Barton and John Terry combined!

This coalition of chaos won't last. The second leg will be soon. We know where we are. We know what to do....

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attila said:

A reflection on the Corbyn/Glastonbury event and the Corbyn phenomenon, for want of a better word, in general.

There's nothing new about Jeremy: he's been saying the same thing for 35 years.

It's not a personality cult. He was an unassuming Left backbench candidate in a leadership election transformed by a rule change who has risen magnificently to the - gloriously unexpected - challenges he faces.

It's the IDEAS he represents which have struck a chord. Ideas reviled and written off for so long, their exponents mostly ignored by the mainstream media and if discussed at all dismissed as 'dinosaurs' - while hundreds of thousands of people never forsook those ideas and hoped for a day when their essential justice and goodness would once again bring them to mass acceptance.

I can talk about this first hand. I have earned my living as a socialist performance poet for 36 years more or less ignored by mainstream media but, I'm happy to say, supported by thousands of people all over the world.

The most wonderful compliment I have had at my gigs through the decades has also been the most common one. 'Thank you for saying what you are saying, I thought I was on my own and no one thought like me any more'.

Through my travels over all those years I always knew there were thousands, nay, millions of us out there and all we needed was a banner to unite under.

Ironically, of course, it was a Labour leadership election rule change brought in by the Right to assuage the Tory press by 'lessening the power of the unions' which gave us that unifying banner - and the rest is history!

It's not just the young. Our support goes right across the board and a massive element of it is people who had completely given up on 'politics' ('they're all the same') and now see a reason to vote - and in many cases get involved too.

A great example of this is my own constituency of East Worthing & Shoreham. A 16,000 Tory majority reduced to 5,000, simply by having a good local candidate presenting a manifesto which addressed the concerns of people beaten down by endless years of Tory austerity, while appealing to the kindness of their fellow citizens who are doing OK. It was THAT which resonated in our comparatively comfortable (with pockets of extreme poverty) bit of West Sussex.

A manifesto of hope and fairness, the opposite of Tory appeals to naked self interest. The number of comfortably off people I spoke to who said 'I voted Tory in the past but I am ashamed of the food banks and the homelessness in this country and am very happy to pay more to live in a more caring society...'A manifesto which is resonating for sure. Half the population want taxes increased to end austerity.

We mustn't get carried away. We didn't win. We lost 4-3 in the away leg of a two leg tie when we were expected to lose 7-0, and only lost at all because the opposition have teamed up with a feeder club with a disciplinary record worse than George Best, Joey Barton and John Terry combined!

This coalition of chaos won't last. The second leg will be soon. We know where we are. We know what to do....

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cirC said:

We all see things in a different perspective..

Any inheritance that the kids were hoping for may well go down the gutter to join JC's mates.

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