General Election 2017

pastafarian · Jun 12, 2017

Guinness Boy said:
What's that stomping sound? Ah yes! Hordes of vegetarian, lesbian socialists binning off The Guardian en masse in order to read their new left wing website of choice, Mail Online.

That's the website of the Daily Mail by the way. Separately edited but owned by the same group. Considered quite right wing

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mail_Online

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Different editorial content and decisions about what makes print.
Seriously chap the mail online is a cockwomble of a website, its appalling and unreadable....its buzzfeed for insomniacs...everything is included that is why its global readership is enormous.
Dont conflate it with what goes to print in The Daily Mail.......yes i know you hate that as well

Jim in the West · Jun 12, 2017

highflyer said:
I think you, along with many many others (see Boris Johnson in the Sun today) are desperately trying to find a way to spin what has happened to make yourselves feel better. That's OK, we all try and find ways to justify our beliefs and feel better about ourselves.

But If you genuinely think that the fact that Tories ended with more seats then it means they 'won' and that progressives should not be celebrating then I think you might be a bit deluded. Which is fine because it is exactly this delusion that will help continue to build support for Labour (I am not Labour btw - in the same way you are not Tory I suspect). So far I have seen no sign of any Tories trying to work out how they are going to appeal to younger people and respond to their real concerns. I have however seen (here and elsewhere) lots of Tories saying young people are stupid. That should work well.

Probably the most signifcant outcome of the election for me is that the Tory press failed to swing it despite throwing everything they had and more at Corbyn. They lied, they smeared they threatened. And it didn't work. Murdoch, Dacre and The Barclay Brothers have been castrated. People, and especially younger people, took a good look at who's interests were being represented by the Tories vs Labour and who owns the Tory pess and they put two and two together, That in itself is huge in terms of how politics works in future. In addition we saw major increase in youth turnout - a trend which is likely to only go in one direction from here. And the Tories may have the most seats but they are on borrowed time now. Even if they do not destroy themeselves (which seems almost inevitable with Brexit negotiations coming at them fast - we all know how united the Tories are on Europe...), by-elections may do the job within a year.

Here is what I said on another thread:

The Tories are caught between a rock and a hard place. They can do a deal with DUP, keep May in place and stagger on for as long as possible, hoping that things improve, but more likely losing ever more support as they go. As long as May is in place the right wing press will probably not get behind them. And (even taking into account the reduced power of the press) without the support of the right wing press they are going to really struggle.

Or they can take action and try and 're-set' themselves with a new leader. But any leadership change, or the collapse of the agreement with DUP, almost certainly means a general election. And they would probably lose that properly now.

Corbyn is in a position of strength. He will put forward a major amendment to the house on the Queens Speech, which I am sure will receive a lot of support, even if not enough to carry it. He is in a postion to re-unify large parts (not all) of the Labour party, while also building strong alliances with other parties. Whether he can do it or not remains to be seen, but those that continue to underestimate him do so at their peril.

Anyone that takes the 'Labour lost so I don't understand why they are so happy' line is a bit desperate and/or seriously hasn't been paying attention.

Labour didn't win (yet). But May and her party lost. Badly.

Many wise words. It's all about the direction of travel. The Tories are showing no signs of having learned anything from this election, but they are in a really tough position. If they hadn't suicidally triggered Art 50, they'd have time for a leadership contest. However, TM decided to Trigger Art 50 and THEN have a General Election. Crazy.

Labour won big time. They're not yet in government, but unless the old crusties in the Tory party can appeal to the growing younger, more socially liberal voter, they will be toast.

Bozza · Jun 12, 2017

highflyer said:
I think you, along with many many others (see Boris Johnson in the Sun today) are desperately trying to find a way to spin what has happened to make yourselves feel better. That's OK, we all try and find ways to justify our beliefs and feel better about ourselves.

But If you genuinely think that the fact that Tories ended with more seats then it means they 'won'.

I appreciate the effort you put in writing lots of words but when you get things so badly wrong in your opening gambit (now in bold) I'm not going to spend any time reading the rest. Sorry. I'm sure it was good though.

Guinness Boy · Jun 12, 2017

highflyer said:
I think you, along with many many others (see Boris Johnson in the Sun today) are desperately trying to find a way to spin what has happened to make yourselves feel better. That's OK, we all try and find ways to justify our beliefs and feel better about ourselves.

But If you genuinely think that the fact that Tories ended with more seats then it means they 'won' and that progressives should not be celebrating then I think you might be a bit deluded. Which is fine because it is exactly this delusion that will help continue to build support for Labour (I am not Labour btw - in the same way you are not Tory I suspect). So far I have seen no sign of any Tories trying to work out how they are going to appeal to younger people and respond to their real concerns. I have however seen (here and elsewhere) lots of Tories saying young people are stupid. That should work well.

Probably the most signifcant outcome of the election for me is that the Tory press failed to swing it despite throwing everything they had and more at Corbyn. They lied, they smeared they threatened. And it didn't work. Murdoch, Dacre and The Barclay Brothers have been castrated. People, and especially younger people, took a good look at who's interests were being represented by the Tories vs Labour and who owns the Tory pess and they put two and two together, That in itself is huge in terms of how politics works in future. In addition we saw major increase in youth turnout - a trend which is likely to only go in one direction from here. And the Tories may have the most seats but they are on borrowed time now. Even if they do not destroy themeselves (which seems almost inevitable with Brexit negotiations coming at them fast - we all know how united the Tories are on Europe...), by-elections may do the job within a year.

Here is what I said on another thread:

The Tories are caught between a rock and a hard place. They can do a deal with DUP, keep May in place and stagger on for as long as possible, hoping that things improve, but more likely losing ever more support as they go. As long as May is in place the right wing press will probably not get behind them. And (even taking into account the reduced power of the press) without the support of the right wing press they are going to really struggle.

Or they can take action and try and 're-set' themselves with a new leader. But any leadership change, or the collapse of the agreement with DUP, almost certainly means a general election. And they would probably lose that properly now.

Corbyn is in a position of strength. He will put forward a major amendment to the house on the Queens Speech, which I am sure will receive a lot of support, even if not enough to carry it. He is in a postion to re-unify large parts (not all) of the Labour party, while also building strong alliances with other parties. Whether he can do it or not remains to be seen, but those that continue to underestimate him do so at their peril.

Anyone that takes the 'Labour lost so I don't understand why they are so happy' line is a bit desperate and/or seriously hasn't been paying attention.

Labour didn't win (yet). But May and her party lost. Badly.

Great post [emoji106]

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pastafarian · Jun 12, 2017

Guinness Boy said:
Yes I'm definitely taken in by a satirical entry on Urban Dictionary. It's your word though so
If the cap fits...

You seem quite angry this morning. Has Babestation disappeared off your favourites?

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Angry? really?......disagreeing with someone all be it aggressively does not make one angry, i would never think you were angry towards another poster because you disagreed with them with every beat of your heart.........its just passion of beliefs........perhaps that is why we are all going wrong and so currently divided.

I reserve real anger towards the planks who attacked in Manchester and London who hate the fact me and you are even allowed a discussion on our different opinions

ps havnt been back to babestation since election night.......i refuse to fall in love like that again

The Clamp · Jun 12, 2017

pastafarian said:
Its not fascist to point out your inadequacies.
You should probably look up the definition of fascist .

Whilst you are at it look up voting and consequences and what it means........then look up not voting because i am a cuckboy and cant decide and i want others to decide for me..............which version sounds preferable .......ask yourself why you stayed a sissy little cuck boy and didnt give voting a go

then remember i voted for you and represented you in full......i was your voice

Your frequent use of the words "cuck" and "sissy" gives quite the unflattering insight into the kind of material you watch on the internet.

Pogue Mahone · Jun 12, 2017

highflyer said:
I think you, along with many many others (see Boris Johnson in the Sun today) are desperately trying to find a way to spin what has happened to make yourselves feel better. That's OK, we all try and find ways to justify our beliefs and feel better about ourselves.

But If you genuinely think that the fact that Tories ended with more seats then it means they 'won' and that progressives should not be celebrating then I think you might be a bit deluded. Which is fine because it is exactly this delusion that will help continue to build support for Labour (I am not Labour btw - in the same way you are not Tory I suspect). So far I have seen no sign of any Tories trying to work out how they are going to appeal to younger people and respond to their real concerns. I have however seen (here and elsewhere) lots of Tories saying young people are stupid. That should work well.

Probably the most signifcant outcome of the election for me is that the Tory press failed to swing it despite throwing everything they had and more at Corbyn. They lied, they smeared they threatened. And it didn't work. Murdoch, Dacre and The Barclay Brothers have been castrated. People, and especially younger people, took a good look at who's interests were being represented by the Tories vs Labour and who owns the Tory pess and they put two and two together, That in itself is huge in terms of how politics works in future. In addition we saw major increase in youth turnout - a trend which is likely to only go in one direction from here. And the Tories may have the most seats but they are on borrowed time now. Even if they do not destroy themeselves (which seems almost inevitable with Brexit negotiations coming at them fast - we all know how united the Tories are on Europe...), by-elections may do the job within a year.

Here is what I said on another thread:

The Tories are caught between a rock and a hard place. They can do a deal with DUP, keep May in place and stagger on for as long as possible, hoping that things improve, but more likely losing ever more support as they go. As long as May is in place the right wing press will probably not get behind them. And (even taking into account the reduced power of the press) without the support of the right wing press they are going to really struggle.

Or they can take action and try and 're-set' themselves with a new leader. But any leadership change, or the collapse of the agreement with DUP, almost certainly means a general election. And they would probably lose that properly now.

Corbyn is in a position of strength. He will put forward a major amendment to the house on the Queens Speech, which I am sure will receive a lot of support, even if not enough to carry it. He is in a postion to re-unify large parts (not all) of the Labour party, while also building strong alliances with other parties. Whether he can do it or not remains to be seen, but those that continue to underestimate him do so at their peril.

Anyone that takes the 'Labour lost so I don't understand why they are so happy' line is a bit desperate and/or seriously hasn't been paying attention.

Labour didn't win (yet). But May and her party lost. Badly.

Yes, that's how I see it. The election result shocked many, especially those at the top of the Conservative Party, and the right wing press. We are, I believe, seeing the beginning of a sea change in British politics.

Bozza said:
I appreciate the effort you put in writing lots of words but when you get things so badly wrong in your opening gambit (now in bold) I'm not going to spend any time reading the rest. Sorry. I'm sure it was good though.

He posited a hypothesis as to your beliefs, and may have been wide of the mark. Why does this result in you responding with such contempt, again?

So, so patronising.

pastafarian · Jun 12, 2017

The Clamp said:
Your frequent use of the words "cuck" and "sissy" gives quite the unflattering insight into the kind of material you watch on the internet.

i dont know what material you are referring to, but since you are claiming to know what this material is can you please share what you have been watching that gives you this insight

mikeyjh · Jun 12, 2017

highflyer said:
I think you, along with many many others (see Boris Johnson in the Sun today) are desperately trying to find a way to spin what has happened to make yourselves feel better. That's OK, we all try and find ways to justify our beliefs and feel better about ourselves.

But If you genuinely think that the fact that Tories ended with more seats then it means they 'won' and that progressives should not be celebrating then I think you might be a bit deluded. Which is fine because it is exactly this delusion that will help continue to build support for Labour (I am not Labour btw - in the same way you are not Tory I suspect). So far I have seen no sign of any Tories trying to work out how they are going to appeal to younger people and respond to their real concerns. I have however seen (here and elsewhere) lots of Tories saying young people are stupid. That should work well.

Probably the most signifcant outcome of the election for me is that the Tory press failed to swing it despite throwing everything they had and more at Corbyn. They lied, they smeared they threatened. And it didn't work. Murdoch, Dacre and The Barclay Brothers have been castrated. People, and especially younger people, took a good look at who's interests were being represented by the Tories vs Labour and who owns the Tory pess and they put two and two together, That in itself is huge in terms of how politics works in future. In addition we saw major increase in youth turnout - a trend which is likely to only go in one direction from here. And the Tories may have the most seats but they are on borrowed time now. Even if they do not destroy themeselves (which seems almost inevitable with Brexit negotiations coming at them fast - we all know how united the Tories are on Europe...), by-elections may do the job within a year.

Here is what I said on another thread:

The Tories are caught between a rock and a hard place. They can do a deal with DUP, keep May in place and stagger on for as long as possible, hoping that things improve, but more likely losing ever more support as they go. As long as May is in place the right wing press will probably not get behind them. And (even taking into account the reduced power of the press) without the support of the right wing press they are going to really struggle.

Or they can take action and try and 're-set' themselves with a new leader. But any leadership change, or the collapse of the agreement with DUP, almost certainly means a general election. And they would probably lose that properly now.

Corbyn is in a position of strength. He will put forward a major amendment to the house on the Queens Speech, which I am sure will receive a lot of support, even if not enough to carry it. He is in a postion to re-unify large parts (not all) of the Labour party, while also building strong alliances with other parties. Whether he can do it or not remains to be seen, but those that continue to underestimate him do so at their peril.

Anyone that takes the 'Labour lost so I don't understand why they are so happy' line is a bit desperate and/or seriously hasn't been paying attention.

Labour didn't win (yet). But May and her party lost. Badly.

Marvelous post, mocking people isn't really my thing but the obvious upset that anti Corbyn brigade have been caused by the result is certainly worth a smile. Most enjoyable so far was Toby Young on Marr yesterday, I don't think he actually cried but the bottom lip was on the move....

Bozza · Jun 12, 2017

My main interest in all this now is Betfair who have still not paid out on either:

- Prime Minister after the General Election *, nor
- Next Government

I've "greened up" as they say, so I don't care how they settle it, I just wish they would as it's a fair bit of cash of mine they have tied up.

(* - which does mean you can still get about 1/5 on the current Prime Minister, errrrrm, being the Prime Minister)

The Clamp · Jun 12, 2017

pastafarian said:
i dont know what material you are referring to, but since you are claiming to know what this material is can you please share what you have been watching that gives you this insight

Nice try at a turnaround. Fail. I know plenty of terms that it wouldn't occur for me to use in conversation.
Anyway, we both know what I'm getting at so I won't press the matter, especially as you seem to be especially upset and flappable this morning. Tatty bye.

pastafarian · Jun 12, 2017

The Clamp said:
Anyway, we both know what I'm getting at so I won't press the matter, especially as you seem to be especially upset and flappable this morning. Tatty bye.

its not a turnaround at all....no need to run away and give a tatty bye, im not surprised you want to run off though
yes you were getting at the term sissy boy and cuck and suggesting i watch some dodgy internet because i know what these terms are yet you dont want to answer how you know what these terms are.......why so shy and hypocritical?
Im having a great morning by the way.....getting some great exam results from my boys....i am angry about nothing at all......just so you know

The Clamp · Jun 12, 2017

pastafarian said:
its not a turnaround at all....no need to run away and give a tatty bye, im not surprised you want to run off though
yes you were getting at the term sissy boy and cuck and suggesting i watch some dodgy internet because i know what these terms are yet you dont want to answer how you know what these terms are.......why so shy and hypocritical?
Im having a great morning by the way.....getting some great exam results from my boys....i am angry about nothing at all......just so you know

Most people know the terms and most people, including myself wouldn't feel it appropriate to use them, especially so aggressively against another person. It's just bloody odd.

Okay, maybe you're not angry I'll have to take your word for that but seeing as you're so keen to not be perceived as being angry perhaps try not to act so....angry?

Anyway, really do have to get on with things. Bye.

pastafarian · Jun 12, 2017

The Clamp said:
Most people know the terms and most people, including myself wouldn't feel it appropriate to use them, especially so aggressively against another person. It's just bloody odd.

Okay, maybe you're not angry I'll have to take your word for that but seeing as you're so keen to not be perceived as being angry perhaps try not to act so....angry?

Anyway, really do have to get on with things. Bye.

why isnt it appropriate? its true......how can that be odd?
Wrong direction is a a little cuck sissy boy that cant think for himself and is prepared to get get shafted on how other people vote on his behalf.......i cant think of anything more apt applying to someone that deserves the title....they are literally made for each other

goodbye

vegster · Jun 12, 2017

Bozza said:
My main interest in all this now is Betfair who have still not paid out on either:

- Prime Minister after the General Election *, nor
- Next Government

I've "greened up" as they say, so I don't care how they settle it, I just wish they would as it's a fair bit of cash of mine they have tied up.

(* - which does mean you can still get about 1/5 on the current Prime Minister, errrrrm, being the Prime Minister)

Yet you insist that you are not a Tory? Showing an awful lot of Tory business acumen in this post.

lawros left foot · Jun 12, 2017

This thread has taken a very odd direction

Papa Lazarou · Jun 12, 2017

lawros left foot said:
This thread has taken a very odd direction

Just like world politics...

Bozza · Jun 12, 2017

vegster said:
Yet you insist that you are not a Tory? Showing an awful lot of Tory business acumen in this post.

You might be right. Or I could just be using the matched betting skills I've learned from Profit Squad.

Yes, it's the latter.

Stat Brother · Jun 12, 2017

Last night John Oliver explained us to them, concentrating on Brexit and Lord Buckethead.
Some NSFW language:-

Iggle Piggle · Jun 12, 2017

vegster said:
Yet you insist that you are not a Tory? Showing an awful lot of Tory business acumen in this post.

[MENTION=6886]Bozza[/MENTION] is taking free stuff from bookies and turning virtual money into Sky subscriptions, Ipads and Tenants super. Surely that's a Labour trait, not Tory?

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