General Election 2017

lawros left foot · Jun 10, 2017

JC Footy Genius said:
1.) Fair enough

2.) The vast majority of the Labour parliamentary party passed a vote of no confidence in JC .

3.) What about condemning them on the strength of a person central to building the peace process (unlike Corbyn) even an IRA commander said he was a useful idiot , what further evidence do you need?

4.) As a person who always votes Labour who would you not vote for if they had a red rosette on?

Answer 2, your question was about an unpopular Tory PM ,not Labour.
However, Cornyn was elected twice, by the whole membership of the Labour party, that has traditionally always been more left wing than the plp, therefore, I'm on the side of democracy.

Answer 3 A 30 year old accusation, at the time no one was talking to Sinn Fein, somebody had to start. I really don't know if the SF representative had other axes to grind, I won't condemn Cornyn in the word of a terrorist sympathizer. (See what I did there)
Answer 4, I didn't vote for Blair after Iraq.

spring hall convert · Jun 10, 2017

JC Footy Genius said:
I haven't read Mein Kampf but I'm guessing its probably a poor guide to running the country.

It's where the Tories got 'strong and stable' from so its certainly not a campaigning guide.

I'm guessing its not all bad. Just the racism, genocide and warmongering.

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Bozza · Jun 10, 2017

BensGrandad said:
What is the liklehood of another election in about 6- 9 months with Boris leading the Tories?

6 months? Not much more likely than it going the full term.

Iggle Piggle · Jun 10, 2017

spring hall convert said:
7 years of Tory Government has got us here.

And unless they have a sudden outbreak of competence its going to get worse before it gets better.

I'd agree with you if you said the last 2. The Tory / Lib Dem government was pretty good. Cleggs moderating influence kept the excessive under control and even introduced stuff that could be classed as left. TBH, I'm struggling to think of a better government in my lifetime (genuinely happy to be convinced otherwise)

The true colours have come out since the last election though. I hate to think where we'd be if Maybot had her mandate.

JC Footy Genius · Jun 10, 2017

lawros left foot said:
Answer 2, your question was about an unpopular Tory PM ,not Labour.
However, Cornyn was elected twice, by the whole membership of the Labour party, that has traditionally always been more left wing than the pop, therefore, I'm on the side of democracy.

Answer 3 A 30 year old accusation, at the time no one was talking to Sinn Fein, somebody had to start. I really don't know if the SF representative had other axes to grind, I won't condemn Cornyn in the word of a terrorist sympathizer. (See what I did there)
Answer 4, I didn't vote for Blair after Iraq.

2.) I was highlighting the hypocricy of the left , easily done I know.

3.) See Seamus Mallon a real architect of peace (non-terrorist sympathiser).

4.) The most popular/successful Labour leader in history but I appreciate the reasons why you didn't.

lawros left foot · Jun 10, 2017

Iggle Piggle said:
I'd agree with you if you said the last 2. The Tory / Lib Dem government was pretty good. Cleggs moderating influence kept the excessive under control and even introduced stuff that could be classed as left. TBH, I'm struggling to think of a better government in my lifetime (genuinely happy to be convinced otherwise)

The true colours have come out since the last election though. I hate to think where we'd be if Maybot had her mandate.

The first Blair administration, massive investment in the NHS, large growth,minimum wage introduced, very low interest rates, and, the Good Friday Agreement

Iggle Piggle · Jun 10, 2017

lawros left foot said:
The first Blair administration, massive investment in the NHS, large growth,minimum wage introduced, very low interest rates, and, the Good Friday Agreement

I voted for that. Fly in the ointment was tuition fee introduction which Labour now want to get rid of. Low interest rate was 2nd term (I think) and then we get into the Iraq war.

JC Footy Genius · Jun 10, 2017

spring hall convert said:
It's where the Tories got 'strong and stable' from so its certainly not a campaigning guide.

I'm guessing its not all bad. Just the racism, genocide and warmongering.

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For the many, not the few - Joseph Stalin

spring hall convert · Jun 10, 2017

Iggle Piggle said:
I'd agree with you if you said the last 2. The Tory / Lib Dem government was pretty good. Cleggs moderating influence kept the excessive under control and even introduced stuff that could be classed as left. TBH, I'm struggling to think of a better government in my lifetime (genuinely happy to be convinced otherwise)

The true colours have come out since the last election though. I hate to think where we'd be if Maybot had her mandate.

Fair enough, we have different value judgements on that Parliament but **** me the loonies have taken over the asylym since the ld's departed for sure.

lawros left foot · Jun 10, 2017

JC Footy Genius said:
2.) I was highlighting the hypocricy of the left , easily done I know.

3.) See Seamus Mallon a real architect of peace (non-terrorist sympathiser).

4.) The most popular/successful Labour leader in history but I appreciate the reasons why you didn't.

I don't get how q2 is about left wing hypocrisy, if the whole of the party electorate voted for Cornyn, and only the PLP, voted against him, how is it hypocritical for him to carry on as leader? He has a bigger mandate than any other party member.

Iggle Piggle · Jun 10, 2017

lawros left foot said:
The first Blair administration, massive investment in the NHS, large growth,minimum wage introduced, very low interest rates, and, the Good Friday Agreement

Although Bank of England controlling interest rate was one of the first things Blair did. That won't go back to government anytime soon.

lawros left foot · Jun 10, 2017

Iggle Piggle said:
I voted for that. Fly in the ointment was tuition fee introduction which Labour now want to get rid of. Low interest rate was 2nd term (I think) and then we get into the Iraq war.

I didn't say it was perfect, just a lot better than I can remember before and definitely afterwards

Iggle Piggle · Jun 10, 2017

spring hall convert said:
Fair enough, we have different value judgements on that Parliament but **** me the loonies have taken over the asylym since the ld's departed for sure.

I'm in total agreement on that. On the basis it is possible to agree with someone on here, I'm off to bed.

spring hall convert · Jun 10, 2017

And Boris is more of the same.

Lies, evasion, smears, with the added bonus that he's a Bullingdon boy. Labour would relish another campaign like that.

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clapham_gull · Jun 10, 2017

May not obviously great, but the Tories have had some shocking leaders since Thatcher.

It should be a walk in the park for them. Roll on up run the country like a business. In good times the coffee machines grind their own beans, in bad times you get a sachet of Nescafe.

Unfortunately they are still infested with extreme nutjobs who can't see beyond their own experiences and lifestyles.

The Tories need a Blair type middle ground leader, one who challenges thinking by for example putting employee representation on company boards. That speaks to the lesser paid with little power and also challenges the Unions.

Unfortunately the one who thought that didn't mention it again and thought wasting Parliamentary time with fox-hunting would give her a stronger Brexit negotiating position.

JC Footy Genius · Jun 10, 2017

lawros left foot said:
I don't get how q2 is about left wing hypocrisy, if the whole of the party electorate voted for Cornyn, and only the PLP, voted against him, how is it hypocritical for him to carry on as leader? He has a bigger mandate than any other party member.

If a huge majority of the Tory Parliamentary party passed a vote of no confidence in T May (choice of the members) tomorrow would you ..

A Think she should resign

B Think she should resign

or .. C Think she should resign

?

spring hall convert · Jun 10, 2017

JC Footy Genius said:
For the many, not the few - Joseph Stalin

Forget the 70's, us two are stuck in the 40's now!

Iggle Piggle · Jun 10, 2017

lawros left foot said:
I didn't say it was perfect, just a lot better than I can remember before and definitely afterwards

It would be a decent thread in its own right. Best government in your lifetime. It's easy to throw stones but name the positive stuff that's gone on.

theonlymikey · Jun 10, 2017

A new general election looms.

May won't get a vote of confidence for the DUP deal. Corbyn will rightly challenge Tories on the moral compass and core beliefs and play on the NI peace process.

Corbyn will try and get a minority gov through commons but with Lib Dems smelling blood, and the possibility of this daft DUP deal damaging Tories Vote share, Lid Dem could feel they could make gains too and some if not all could reject this speech too.

lawros left foot · Jun 10, 2017

JC Footy Genius said:
If a huge majority of the Tory Parliamentary party passed a vote of no confidence in T May (choice of the members) tomorrow would you ..

A Think she should resign

B Think she should resign

or .. C Think she should resign

?

But May isn't the choice of the Tory party membership, she had no others rivals for the job, the mas membership of the party don't get the final vote for a leader, in Labour , they do, therefore, if only the PLP could get rid of Cornyn, it wouldn't be democratic.

Anyway, I think the Tories should support TM, and back her to the hilt, because with her as leader, Labour are a shoo in next time round.

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