General Election 2017

bashlsdir said:

If you voted Leave like I did, your definitely not going to get what you voted for, could be the case you don't get Brexit at all, a disgusting shambles all round.
We could even end up going full circle, Labour government, No Brexit, at this point you will need to ask yourself what is the actual point of even voting anymore.


Farage was right, May should have triggered article 50 straight away, yet for the all Farage hating, he is the only one who hasn't changed track.

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East Preston Gull said:

Totally agree. I voted leave and want out of the lot, customs union con, EU trade bloc and free movement.

We have to ask the unelected EU mafia if we can buy and sell anything.

The narrative is now the nonsense hard and soft Brexit crap. Us leavers are being sold out in a big way.

We have had to put up with people moaning about cuts, wage stagnation, school funding and general doom and gloom all whilst being in the EU. Now these same people say we will be worse off if we leave the union.

If things are so bad in this country then maybe we will be better off leaving.

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bashlsdir said:

If you voted Leave like I did, your definitely not going to get what you voted for, could be the case you don't get Brexit at all, a disgusting shambles all round.
We could even end up going full circle, Labour government, No Brexit, at this point you will need to ask yourself what is the actual point of even voting anymore.


Farage was right, May should have triggered article 50 straight away, yet for the all Farage hating, he is the only one who hasn't changed track.

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East Preston Gull said:

3 days in and yes, Labour still lost. Now even they can't agree on which Brexit were getting
Soft, medium soft, firm, good to soft, hardish, Hard or rock hard.
Shambles on all sides of this farce.

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Bold Seagull said:

This general election has shown that the public voted in numbers for the other parties, and surely they have to listen to that? They cannot pretend 17m people or so voted didn't for our centre and left parties!

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Scotchegg said:

Sounds like a job for Lord Buckethead

https://youtu.be/FJzW_gFoXR0

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Kinky Gerbils said:

Faisal Islam‏Verified account @faisalislam 3h3 hours ago
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Hmmm: "We don't want to leave single market itself, it's the Europeans saying you cant lose free movements &keep it"

It is almost like Davis etc have not been listening....

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Scotchegg said:

Sounds like a job for Lord Buckethead

https://youtu.be/FJzW_gFoXR0

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Scotchegg said:

Sounds like a job for Lord Buckethead

https://youtu.be/FJzW_gFoXR0

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Scotchegg said:

You've had to put up with it??

Perhaps the people who have felt the brunt of those cuts have every right to moan. Put up with it. **** me.

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Bold Seagull said:

What did you vote for then?

The only detail I had was:

Should the United Kingdom remain a member of the European Union or leave the European Union?

Remain a member of the European Union
Leave the European Union

Anything else to be included by leaving the EU was down to government. You voted to leave the EU, if that is done, that is what you voted for. Whether we retaining single market access, free movement, whatever else, as long as we leave the EU, the referendum vote is fulfilled.

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East Preston Gull said:

Between me and the good lady we earnt last year approx £ 26000.00.
I live in Bognor Regis, I am self employed in the construction industry and my wife works in the NHS.

My kids are quite clever and do well at school, I get to see a doctor when I want. My bins get emptied everyweek.

My wife had a diagnosis of kidney cancer early last year and we went to Chichester St Richards hospital were seen within 4 days of appointment booking. We were told she would be in Frimley Park hospital within 2 weeks, we were. Luckily the part of that kidney was removed and she is fine.

I am the bottom end of society and when the wages drop we get topped up by tax credits. When we earn more we get no tax credits.

My work slowed down so I cancelled sky, gave up smoking, cancelled private dental care, gave up season ticket and tightened the belts. We still try and get to Devon once a year and generally like to look after ourselves financially.

Things are OK in this country for me as a working class boy. Too many people expect to have their lifestyle maintained way above what they deserve.

I feel I may have digressed from the main thread but your presumption in that post was that I did not have any idea of so called cuts.

We are bloody a bloody lot better of as a country than some.

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Bold Seagull said:

Do you not think it is therefore reasonable for the cost of your kid's higher education to be spread across corporation and general tax than loading them individually with debt? Hopefully their skills and education will enable them to go to a top company, earn a decent wage, and help their company make profits. I don't think that has anything to do with lifestyle, or choosing how to live. You have lived by your means, and yet your kids by getting an education to make them skilled and of benefit to society as a whole, will have a debt around their shoulders.

I think it is wrong to saddle those wishing to go into higher education with debt. We all need health professionals, teachers, engineers, solicitors etc. etc. They will repay their education through the taxes they eventually pay. We shouldn't be looking to reduce collective tax responsibility by replacing it with individual debt.

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pastafarian said:

why isnt it appropriate? its true......how can that be odd?
Wrong direction is a a little cuck sissy boy that cant think for himself and is prepared to get get shafted on how other people vote on his behalf.......i cant think of anything more apt applying to someone that deserves the title....they are literally made for each other

goodbye

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East Preston Gull said:

I don't particularly like the thought of my taxes subsidising middle class kids university dreams. I agree that future health professionals should have free education but lawyers and engineers should have to pay their way or be subsidised by the law profession or the engineering sector itself in the form of specialist university's.

Why should my money fund fashion, arts and music education at all. True artists and musicians should not need teaching at great expense.

I will re-mortgage my house or borrow should my children decide that university is for them or persuade them to get a job to pay at least some of their own way.

Government cannot do it all and pay for it all. We have to make our own way in life.

I pissed around at school spent my early wages on ale and general vices. That fault is my own and I do not expect the government to get me out of it.
My parents taxes got me an education which I wasted. My taxes get me a damn good health care system and I get my wages topped up when things are not so good.

Other people have worked harder, studied harder and had good breaks, I don't envy them, good luck to you.

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Pavilionaire said:

The reappointment of Sun columnist Michael Gove to May's Cabinet a year after she sacked him tells you all you need to know about how blinkered and f**ked up the Tory Party is.

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Bold Seagull said:

If we continue to make higher education a debt experience, then we will only have those from wealthier backgrounds going into higher education. Going into higher education shouldn't be a decision based on affordability, it should be made on ambition and capability. We will lose out as a society from many talented individuals if people are put off by the debt they will incur.

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McTavish said:

Hooray! He is without doubt a politician with integrity and gravitas and in no way a self-serving little scum-bag!

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