Ah so your oh so arrogant post is starting to unravel .... would you like me to unpick another of your FACTS ? I ask as there were so many lies in your post.
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Ah so your oh so arrogant post is starting to unravel .... would you like me to unpick another of your FACTS ? I ask as there were so many lies in your post.
SK1NT
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Yea do it then. Still not addressing my important fact i see or is that a lie?
Arrogant. I simply replied to Triggars points. Don't be a dick mate.
Yea 50 lines of writing and u unravelled one line...
You are right that the Blair labour government introduced many family friendly laws and some of these exceed the EU requirements, which is great. The EU did have a LOT to do with them. The UK's framework for these advances and rights was heavily influenced by the EU's. However, the most pertinent point here is that the EU PROTECTS the basic rights outlined. Nothing stopping any future government after we leave scrapping these protections and workers rights and stripping rights back. And I wouldn't put anything past politicians.
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Nothing - other than the electorate of course.
Rights can be and are scrapped without consulting the electorate.
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We are being 'consulted' on the 8th June.
At a GE we are consulted as to whether we would like to keep or sling out the party that scrapped a particular set of rights. We are not being consulted on the act of getting rid of the vote. Where was our referendum on replacing the protected Human Rights act with The British Bill of Rights?
Two VERY different concepts indeed.
At your request then, the EU did indeed set up the fishing policies to preserve stocks BUT they also did it to share out member territorial waters. Members that had less waters were granted rights to other members waters. Now despite common perception, Spain isn't the biggest fisher, and nor is Scotland as you claim, France is. Followed by the UK. BUT the EU don't break down the figures of the UK haul. Given it covers Cornwall, the English channel and the North Sea ( a majority of which borders Engalnd ) there is no way Scotland catches 70% of the fish. Using EU figures even the UK as a whole doesn't catch 70% of the total haul. Even adding in inshore fishing to Scotland's total won't make them come close to 70% ( and of course inland fishing in Scotland is not available to SPain, France etc ).
As for your important fact ..... what about the other 66% of trade ? That's 20% bigger than our EU trade.
That's not clear at all. The £350m was simply what we're spending, I'm not sure people really thought that was going to be in our pockets, bearing in mind that the Brexit camp were not the government and so no promises could be made.
Yep. Crap like that won't stop me doing my best to vote for what I think is best though.
And we will keep getting immigrants. The leave campaign would argue that we just want better control of it. But that's not my argument to make.
None of these points have anything to do with why I voted leave.
We haven't made that threat at all, we've simply said that we're not going to make unconditional offers without anything in return, and nor should we.
Some Remainers seem happy to criticise our government for not promising to allow EU citizens to stay here regardless, but they're not equally criticising the EU for not making the same offer to UK citizens living in the EU. I'm sure common sense will prevail, but there's no point in making promises now with nothing in return.
And they let Spain ignore it. FACT.
Because different countries have different economies and need to adjust their currency to meet their needs. Spain, Portugal, Italy and Ireland are all suffering, as well as Greece.
Of course it will. The poor deal we get affects our economy, our debt, our taxes. As EU countries fail, we'd have to pay more to help balance the books.
On each of those points, why?
I didn't ask for you reasons in the first place, so I don't know why you'd want to
I asked you "But how the hell would they do that?"
And if we don't do a deal at all, they will be jeopardising the EU. You no doubt made these assertions before the vote - I didn't believe you then and I still don't. Thank god you are not negotiating for us.
Likewise. I think that will be more likely with a large majority for May, as she'll be able to keep the Hard Brexit elements of her party in check. Bear in mind the May also wanted to remain, so she probably wants a Soft Brexit too.If we stick with Brexit.. I’d like it soft
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SK1NT
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If May does win and we continue with Brexit... I agree with your comments here. As you say i hope she will go with Soft Brexit (whatever that really means) as she was a remainer initially.
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SK1NT
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Naturally you will question my facts if you don't read them properly.
My point was Scotland does the most fishing WITHIN the UK... and yes it is 60% - 70% of this is on our shores and yet the majority votes remain so this fishing EU law doesn't hold.
Yea 44 % exports is within the EU and you are correct that does leave 66% (good Math) however just because we have 66% elsewhere why should we then just disregard the other 44%? Where is the logic in that?
SK1NT
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You seem very concerned about this one poxy fishing rule. Who are you captain Birdseye? This is one of the only EU laws Brexiters can throw about. Let's **** up the economy so we can deplete our seas of fish ffs.
It's not that I misread your post - you're now qualifying your broad statement and didn't specify you were talking UK only ( despite the conversation being about EU fishing ). Fair enough - Scotland does a good percentage of UK fishing. We're talking about EU policy here that covers ALL 28 ( now nearly 27 members ) and Scotland does a small amount of that total.
I was pointing out that most of your rant was factually incorrect - so far two points - happy later to prove other inaccuracies in your post if you like ? If you don't like it then don't keep shouting FACT and coming over all aggressive when people support Brexit.
Double post due to flaky wireless.
SK1NT
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Hang on you haven't proved anything as incorrect. The paternity and maternity laws were brought in by Labour, however as mentioned by [MENTION=33848]The Clamp[/MENTION] was instigated by EU law. It was down to the EU that this happened.
The fishing law that you believed to be incorrect was because you misinterpreted what i wrote. Triggar and i were talking about how people voted within the UK. Why would i mention fishing in Europe. Triggar mentioned the fishing restrictions and i said over 60% of fishing is done by Scotland (WITHIN THE UK) and yet the majority of Scotland voted remain.
Still waiting for you to prove ANYTHING as incorrect.