portlock seagull
Why? Why us?
- Jul 28, 2003
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So what you're really saying is loads of non-experts unlike yourself are talking shite? Well, ain't that the truth!! Good post
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So what you're really saying is loads of non-experts unlike yourself are talking shite? Well, ain't that the truth!! Good post
Bold Seagull
strong and stable with me, or...
Of course they can. State education is paid for by general taxation paid by the population and businesses whether they use the education system or not, making education free at the point of delivery. Just because I've paid tax, doesn't mean my children's state education isn't paid for by others - of course it is, I pay enough tax, but not that much!
sussex_guy2k2
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- Jun 6, 2014
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I'm an ex teacher, so when weighing in I am slightly biased, but I believe the decision to be 100% correct.
Yes, there is an argument that children need experiences out of the classroom (although a trip to Florida isn't exactly educational), but this ruling isn't stopping people taking their children out, it is just asking them to pay a fine (and a tiny one at that) for the right to have a cheaper holiday. This seems fair to me.
In regards to whether taking your children out of school during term time has a negative effect on thei education, then the answer is emphatically yes, for 99% of students. The reason for this is that most students simply don't have the drive or wherewithal to catch up on their missed work. This often has many knock on effects down the line in terms of grades and progress.
However, the biggest reason why it's the correct decision is actually a legal rule. It would open the floodgates to parents to take their children out of school on a whim, with no limit to when or how often children could be taken from school without repercussion. It is often bad enough if one child misses a week or two but if you suddenly have 4, 5 or 6 doing it, then the added workload on a teacher, plus the increased stress on the pupils, added to the worsening behaviour as children suffer from increased levels of confusion, would simply not be manageable in most classroom situations, particularly as resources at most schools are already stretched to breaking point (and only getting worse!).
Yes, there is an argument that children need experiences out of the classroom (although a trip to Florida isn't exactly educational), but this ruling isn't stopping people taking their children out, it is just asking them to pay a fine (and a tiny one at that) for the right to have a cheaper holiday. This seems fair to me.
In regards to whether taking your children out of school during term time has a negative effect on thei education, then the answer is emphatically yes, for 99% of students. The reason for this is that most students simply don't have the drive or wherewithal to catch up on their missed work. This often has many knock on effects down the line in terms of grades and progress.
However, the biggest reason why it's the correct decision is actually a legal rule. It would open the floodgates to parents to take their children out of school on a whim, with no limit to when or how often children could be taken from school without repercussion. It is often bad enough if one child misses a week or two but if you suddenly have 4, 5 or 6 doing it, then the added workload on a teacher, plus the increased stress on the pupils, added to the worsening behaviour as children suffer from increased levels of confusion, would simply not be manageable in most classroom situations, particularly as resources at most schools are already stretched to breaking point (and only getting worse!).
Well you're going to have to if you can't afford it.Can I do the same with my council tax
Where's Dr No? 7 hours a day my arse.
Nah, I ain't buying that.
What? They get 13 weeks. Plus the other bank holiday.
I do know teachers, and it's certainly not 'turn up at 9, done at 3:30' all the time, but they're not doing 50/60 hours a week (unless it's a new job).
Geestar
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Spot on.
I was a teacher but wouldnt dream of going back. My office job is way cushier.
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sussex_guy2k2
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- Jun 6, 2014
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Most are, at least they are if they're any good. And find me a teacher that doesn't spend a good 50% of their holiday time working, and, again, I'll find you a teacher that isn't very good. Yes it gives them flexibility about when they work within those weeks, but most are working a large portion of the time. Plus, you know, more expensive holidays.
The long and the short of it is that you're simply wrong, and trying to state otherwise like it's a fact isn't supporting your argument in any way.
Bold Seagull
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Statistics show a primary school teacher does 59.3 hours per week on average, a secondary school teacher 55.7 hours per week.
How have they worked those figures out? Did they ask Teachers how many hours they do?
Iggle Piggle
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- Sep 3, 2010
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No wonder kids are useless at Maths if this is the kind of stats we are teaching them. 6 weeks in the summer (30 working days), 2 weeks at Easter (8 excluding bank holidays) and Christmas (7) plus 3 half terms (14) is nearer 60 than 40 accepting that you may be over the summer to give out A-level results or the like depending on what age you are teaching. One of my mates is a teacher and had a training day on Cheltenham Gold cup day where he appeared for the 1st race. I've no doubt teachers work hard but spare us the 40 days holiday and working till midnight checking spelling gubbins. Similarly, If you also believe an office job is 9-5 with a 2 hour lunch and luzzing paper aeroplanes in the afternoons - That was the 1980's. Most Corporate companies are working on tight margins which means those of us left here after countless rounds of redundancies are working their tits off.
With regards to this case, there should be an ability to use discretion rather than binary rules. Parents at our school took their kid out of school for one day to go to Lapland. They were fined whilst the rest of the class sat and watched Elf.
Bold Seagull
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How have they worked those figures out? Did they ask Teachers how many hours they do?
Well, clearly the basis of your argument is from a couple of people you know who are teachers. You're hardly in a position to question the validity of a professionally prepared set of statistics.
So this friend/parent is unable to take leave during the six week summer break, the two week Easter break AND the two week Xmas break? And seeing as a foreign holiday can be just a week how about the three 1 week half term breaks? He is either a liar or a fool.
I did not judge anyone. I highlighted MY office job. When I did that job I swiped out at 5 and that was that.
Murray 17
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- Jul 6, 2003
- 2,159
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The issue of teachers bring accused of 'bunking off' for INSET days is incredibly frustrating!
About 30 years ago teachers and children went to school for 190 days per year. The Education Secretary at the time thought it was a good idea to add 5 days' teacher training to the school year. He therefore added 5 days to teachers' contracts. Each authority therefore allocates 195 days per year to schooling, and individual schools choose when to allocate their INSET days.
It would not be productive to have them all in one go, and if a school needs a particular 'trainer', they have to book them when they are free. Therefore, on occasions, it is necessary to have a Wednesday during term-time, for example. It might be inconvenient for parents, but it is their children that benefit in the long-run.
And after all, education is for the benefit of children.
Pretty pink fairy
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- Jan 30, 2008
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1. How do you know what hours I did in an office job. It was 9-5 with a 40 minute lunch
2. Tell me your job, how many hours you work and I will tell you that you are lying
3. The CHILDREN get 12 weeks holiday a year
Are you a ****ing idiot? Why are you working the holiday of a teacher based on what the children get?
As for MY office job, I am telling you what the hours were. I spent the majority of the day going for coffee breaks and surfing the internet too.
Tell me your job and let me have a go at telling you what you do all day and how many hours you really do?
beorhthelm
A. Virgo, Football Genius
- Jul 21, 2003
- 35,313
~60 average? really? that means many thousands doing 70-80 to offset the thousands doing 40-50, or maybe those statistics are flawed.
It won't put me off. £240 fine is peanuts. Don't worry. I doubt you'll be holidaying where I am
Mate, anyone that still thinks an inset day is a day off for teachers is a bit dim to be honest. I will have to remind anyone that works in business that any meetings they have are days off and should be carried out in their own personal holidays.