Term time Dad loses in the Supreme Court

kjgood said:

What 'Free' education is this then or am I missing something? Doesnt the funding for education come from National and Local taxation that everyone pays into whether they are working or not? So how is this education 'Free'?

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Triggaaar said:

I can't.
I clearly can, I just took them in term time.

I don't disagree with the court ruling though. £60 on top of the trip is still a huge saving. Although our school didn't fine us. And our kids attendance is still way over 95%, even with the holiday.

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lost in london said:

What annoys me most is that schools shut on a whim and take teaching days away from children when it suits them without any regard to inconvenience to parents. Roles are reversed and parents get fined.

As an example, my kids' school recently had to put two classes in temporary classrooms whilst building works were carried out. Rather than get the teachers to give up two days of their enormous holidays to get the rooms ready, the school shut down entirely for two days. A whole school of parents having to sort out two days childcare. We've got a whole week shutdown in September whilst they move back into the new building. There's then a week in June where there are two inset days and a sports day in one week, plus two days of 'sport' for the remainder of the week. If that isn't an invitation to take your kids out and go on a cheaper holiday when they're learning sod all I don't know what is.

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HitchinSeagull said:

Exactly, all these sanctamonius people talking about education seem to be ignoring the fact that a large part of children's 'education' is just childcare, the government has done it's sums and worked out the tax gains and lower social security payments outweigh the cost of school. That's why most of the better performing school systems across Europe start at ages as late as 7, us 4ish! Go figure. If your heavily involved the majority of their early education comes at home, your far better off taking them to experience new cultures if that's the only time you can afford it. But I would say that it's a pity the test case was over something as frivolous as Disney which I don't agree with, visiting relatives is the one thing kids should always be able to do.

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Stat Brother said:

So are you saying teachers only have 4 to 6 weeks holiday a year?

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triggaaar said:

oh

Listening to the news, i just thought it was £60 and thought 'just pay them and damn their insolence'.

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Perkino said:

Surely this is a bunch of spoilt brats valuing holidays at a higher level of importance than Education. Schools are full of lazy individuals who want life served up on a platter for them, they lack the initiative to excel and push themselves.

America & Australia are two examples of an end of year assessment where unless passed a student has to re-sit the year. I'd love to see that in operation in the UK it might motivate some to apply themselves

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Wilko said:

No, I did not say that. We have longer holidays but the average working days and work outside of school is much longer than many other jobs. If I compare my job working in an office to teaching for example:

Office job- 9 to 5 with a lunch break, no work outside of those hours. Average 7 hours a day. 25 days holiday a year

Teaching job - 7-6 with a 30 min lunchbreak. Additional duties. Evening marking, planning and preparation. Average 10-12 hours a day. 40 days holiday a year.

If I compare the two jobs then teaching is the far more demanding in terms of man hours over the course of the year. However, we are rewarded with longer holidays which I like so that is fair enough.

If you want an impartial opinion then ask any posters on here that are married to or in a relationship with a teacher to give you an honest answer to the amount of hours they put it.

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Triggaaar said:

Oh

Listening to the news, I just thought it was £60 and thought 'Just pay them and damn their insolence'.

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Mouldy Boots said:

I agree there are double standards, the problem with teachers they generally think they are always right and most will strike on a whim, oh and don't start me on judges!!

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Mouldy Boots said:

I agree there are double standards, the problem with teachers they generally think they are always right and most will strike on a whim, oh and don't start me on judges!!

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nicko31 said:

We've got 16 million in this country that don't have £100 in the bank.

There are families who's only chance of a holiday is the £9 deal in the Sun, their whole holiday could cost £100 so £60 is a big deal.

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From my own experience, my child suffered a year of disruption by the school caused by poor school recruitment. With common sense a few days here and there isn't going to wreck my kids life chance, far more likely to be effected by this wreckless cuts going on in education right now

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Triggaaar said:

Yep, hopefully they'd just write to the council explaining that they understood the policy, but they simply couldn't afford the fine, and provide some evidence. Hopefully they council would see sense.

Indeed.

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Pavilionaire said:

I'm not comfortable with the government's position that it's down to the head teacher to decide who gets fined and who doesn't.

This will lead to inconsistency: for an identical holiday arrangement some parents will get fined, others at another school will get away scot free.

Who'd be a head teacher?

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Mouldy Boots said:

I agree there are double standards, the problem with teachers they generally think they are always right and most will strike on a whim, oh and don't start me on judges!!

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Wilko said:

No, I did not say that. We have longer holidays but the average working days and work outside of school is much longer than many other jobs. If I compare my job working in an office to teaching for example:

Office job- 9 to 5 with a lunch break, no work outside of those hours. Average 7 hours a day. 25 days holiday a year

Teaching job - 7-6 with a 30 min lunchbreak. Additional duties. Evening marking, planning and preparation. Average 10-12 hours a day. 40 days holiday a year.

If I compare the two jobs then teaching is the far more demanding in terms of man hours over the course of the year. However, we are rewarded with longer holidays which I like so that is fair enough.

If you want an impartial opinion then ask any posters on here that are married to or in a relationship with a teacher to give you an honest answer to the amount of hours they put it.

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Wilko said:

No, I did not say that. We have longer holidays but the average working days and work outside of school is much longer than many other jobs. If I compare my job working in an office to teaching for example:

Office job- 9 to 5 with a lunch break, no work outside of those hours. Average 7 hours a day. 25 days holiday a year

Teaching job - 7-6 with a 30 min lunchbreak. Additional duties. Evening marking, planning and preparation. Average 10-12 hours a day. 40 days holiday a year.

If I compare the two jobs then teaching is the far more demanding in terms of man hours over the course of the year. However, we are rewarded with longer holidays which I like so that is fair enough.

If you want an impartial opinion then ask any posters on here that are married to or in a relationship with a teacher to give you an honest answer to the amount of hours they put it.

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