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    The logistics, The fact that the Monastery was razed to the ground and rebuilt. It doesn't look less than 100 years old, and the endless rows of well manicured graves. I remember one of them was for a soldier who could have been no more than 18. His wife and two children never saw him again. I almost felt guilty for still being alive.
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      55000 Allied casualties, compared to around 20000 Germans, was a brutal battle. Bit of local interest as well, - From Wiki - The fighting was brutal and often hand to hand, but the determined defence held and the Royal Sussex battalion was beaten off, once again sustaining over 50 per cent casualties. Over the two nights, the Royal Sussex Regiment lost 12 out of 15 officers and 162 out of 313 men who took part in the attack

      Anyone ever read Sven Hassel's Monte Cassino ?
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      So 75000 casualties compared to just under 2 million killed injured or captured in Stalingrad where every inch of ground was thought over.

      War is never pleasant but preserved sites war graves and battle grounds do illustrate that we should avoid armed conflict when ever possible
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      So 75000 casualties compared to just under 2 million killed injured or captured in Stalingrad where every inch of ground was thought over.

      War is never pleasant but preserved sites war graves and battle grounds do illustrate that we should avoid armed conflict when ever possible
      Of course, I think what makes Cassino stand out is the relatively very small area of combat that produced these numbers of casualties, in 4 short battles, compared to Stalingrad which was over a much wider area, and over 5 months of constant fighting. Also it was a very high amount relative to Western Front losses, as losses were much higher on the Eastern Front, due to the brutality of the conflict.
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      Of course, I think what makes Cassino stand out is the relatively very small area of combat that produced these numbers of casualties, in 4 short battles, compared to Stalingrad which was over a much wider area, and over 5 months of constant fighting. Also it was a very high amount relative to Western Front losses, as losses were much higher on the Eastern Front, due to the brutality of the conflict.
      Wasn't it also the reluctance to go around Cassino in the race to Rome that partly contributed to the number of attacks and casualties.
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      Portlock,

      we went 2 years ago when visiting Rome.

      Amaaaazing place. And will reduce you to tears mate.

      I'll PM you guide we had. She was unbelievably knowledgeble ....

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      Wasn't it also the reluctance to go around Cassino in the race to Rome that partly contributed to the number of attacks and casualties.
      I'm not sure going around Cassino was an option was it? It had to be
      taken. High ground guns and all that. It was crack German troops up there.
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      We were with a maori lady when we went. She had lost a relative there.

      The scale of losses for NZ, Aus, Canadian, Polish, US and British was
      astronomical.
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      My Grandad on my Mother's side was a Territorial who went out with the Cheshire Regiment to France in 1939, he was evacuated at Dunkirk then went to North Africa and fought in the 8th Army.

      Subsequently he took part in the Italian campaign and I'm pretty certain the 6th Battalion Cheshires were at Monte Cassino.

      He was demobbed in 1945 and couldn't cope with Civvy Street after what he had seen and been through by all accounts.

      Walked out on my Grandmother and her two children and pretty well drank himself to death, I suppose it would be called Post Traumatic Stress Disorder these days.

      Obviously I never met him and I don't even know where his Grave is, another Casualty of War, only one that wasn't so obvious.

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