Nicola Sturgeeon.

Triggaaar · Mar 15, 2017

GJN1 said:
But what do you expect her to do? Really? Sit quietly by and continue to be told what to do by Westminster? That would be a dereliction of her duty as FM.

I expect her to do her best for Scotland, and that's not independence.

Besides, nearly all of the arguments that Theresa May is advancing for Brexit are precisely the ones that Nicola Sturgeon can use for independence too.

May didn't campaign for Brexit, she's now doing her best with the decision she was given. And the arguments she has is about the strength of the UK economy, and how it can succeed independently from the EU, do not apply to Scotland, whose economy is shit.

GJN1 · Mar 15, 2017

Triggaaar said:
I expect her to do her best for Scotland, and that's not independence.

Who says it isn't? And who says Brexit really is the best for the UK? We're dealing in gargantuan unknowns on both sides of the border. Nobody knows, least of all the UK government it seems...

Pavilionaire · Mar 15, 2017

mickybha said:
Nicola Sturgeon as a young man View attachment 82851

Hair like a Grenadier Guard. McMinger!

Triggaaar · Mar 15, 2017

GJN1 said:
Who says it isn't?

Me. And the Scottish voters. Seriously, they'd be ****ed if they went independent. They need us to pay for them.

Pretty pink fairy · Mar 15, 2017

Alex Salmond's Glove puppet ??
regards
DR

nicko31 · Mar 15, 2017

Thunder Bolt said:
https://www.politicshome.com/news/u...back-snp-scots-reject-independence-fresh-poll

Nicola Sturgeon has suffered a blow after a new poll found the majority of Scots are in favour of remaining in the United Kingdom.

That's now a lot can change. For the Scots its a choice between the devil and the deep blue sea

GJN1 · Mar 15, 2017

Triggaaar said:
Me. And the Scottish voters. Seriously, they'd be ****ed if they went independent. They need us to pay for them.

All bets are off at the moment. Anything and everything is up for grabs, irrespective of which side of the debate you're on.

mickybha · Mar 15, 2017

keep reading about her "Mandate" well if she has one then the man must have a guide dog

beorhthelm · Mar 15, 2017

GJN1 said:
But what do you expect her to do? Really?

at least wait until the shape of Brexit is formed. she has run off with the assumption that we are going to have a full bore hard brexit (which is not the target scenario, its a fallback position), and if she wins Scotland will have full bore exit from the EU. at this stage with what we know and likely outcomes, theres more chance of Brexit being cancelled than Scotland leaving the union and going straight to EU

GJN1 · Mar 15, 2017

beorhthelm said:
at least wait until the shape of Brexit is formed. she has run off with the assumption that we are going to have a full bore hard brexit (which is not the target scenario, its a fallback position), and if she wins Scotland will have full bore exit from the EU. at this stage with what we know and likely outcomes, theres more chance of Brexit being cancelled than Scotland leaving the union and going straight to EU

But, given the current lack of consultation, they'll be outcomes that Scotland won't have had an opportunity to even help shape in the first place

highflyer · Mar 15, 2017

Some pretty unpleasant sexist comments on here. but that's no surprise I guess.

I admire Nicola Sturgeon. I think she's playing a brave, and clever, game and the Tory's are rattled to put it mildly (as can be seen by the desperate hatchet jobs running in the right wing press). If only Labour had a leadership as effective.

Scotland would be fine outside the UK, just as we will be fine outside the EU. What will f*ck us up will be the policy decisions our government takes, not whether we are inside or outside the UK and I can fiully understand why the Scots may decide they'd rather have those decisions taken by a Scottish government rather than a UK one. I would bet on them winning an independence vote.

And this not about 're-running' the referendum. This is now a vote whether to try and stay in the EU, not about whether to leave the UK. Totally different question. I guess it's the arrogance of the English that assumes it's all about us though.

From where I sit I would like Scotland to stay in the UK. But if I was Scottish I would be strongly inclined to vote for independence.

Triggaaar · Mar 15, 2017

GJN1 said:
But, given the current lack of consultation, they'll be outcomes that Scotland won't have had an opportunity to even help shape in the first place

Same as the rest of us then. London (like Brighton) voted to remain in the EU, and there are more people in London than in Scotland, but they're being dragged out against their wishes, so presumably they should get independence too?

JCL666 · Mar 15, 2017

So there's the vile nonsense spouted on here and within the media about how crap Scotland is with a persistent "them and us" perspective.

And then people wonder why "they" keep talking about independence.....

heathgate · Mar 15, 2017

JCL666 said:
So there's the vile nonsense spouted on here and within the media about how crap Scotland is with a persistent "them and us" perspective.

And then people wonder why "they" keep talking about independence.....

Please.... nobody says anything of the sort until they start banging on about nasty Westminster this and that..... once AS and NS start their anti English rhetoric... then and only then does the vitriol start flowing in the northward direction.

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Two Professors · Mar 15, 2017

Couple of good'uns from my Scottish cousin-not everybody up there loves her:

Deleted member 22389 · Mar 15, 2017

Thing is like Brexit, the papers are doing the usual scaremongering tactics should Scotland leave. If they also keep attacking sturgeon It could have the reverse effect. It's what drove a lot of people to brexit, including myself.

ATFC Seagull · Mar 15, 2017

maltaseagull said:

I like jokes, just not shit ones that don't actually make any sense.

alfredmizen · Mar 15, 2017

JCL666 said:
So there's the vile nonsense spouted on here and within the media about how crap Scotland is with a persistent "them and us" perspective.

And then people wonder why "they" keep talking about independence.....

oh do me a favour , any anti Scottish rhetoric is simply a response to years and years of snide anti English comments and sentiment from the scots (and Welsh) I can remember as a kid always supporting Scots and Welsh teams against anyone other than England, not anymore , I'm sick to the back teeth of scots and Welsh people thinking they can tell me how they happily support "anyone but England" and I'm supposed to laugh politely , the English that DO laugh politely make me sick , any jock or taff making snide comments to me is asked why they don't fvck off back to where they come from , in short order.

PILTDOWN MAN · Mar 15, 2017

highflyer said:
Some pretty unpleasant sexist comments on here. but that's no surprise I guess.

I admire Nicola Sturgeon. I think she's playing a brave, and clever, game and the Tory's are rattled to put it mildly (as can be seen by the desperate hatchet jobs running in the right wing press). If only Labour had a leadership as effective.

Scotland would be fine outside the UK, just as we will be fine outside the EU. What will f*ck us up will be the policy decisions our government takes, not whether we are inside or outside the UK and I can fiully understand why the Scots may decide they'd rather have those decisions taken by a Scottish government rather than a UK one. I would bet on them winning an independence vote.

And this not about 're-running' the referendum. This is now a vote whether to try and stay in the EU, not about whether to leave the UK. Totally different question. I guess it's the arrogance of the English that assumes it's all about us though.

From where I sit I would like Scotland to stay in the UK. But if I was Scottish I would be strongly inclined to vote for independence.

How the f@@k is she being brave? She has a loud voice but represents a very small minority in the UK. If her cleverness had gained independence the last time Scotland would now be absolutely screwed and having Greece style bail outs. Scotland is a tiny tiny country and offers very little. The last time they had independence they bankrupt themselves, history could repeat itself and this time when they come running over the hills in their skirts we'll tell to f@@k off.

Big plus point BBC will not have to announce the park football results that is the Scottish leagues and believe anyone gives a shite. They don't.

dangull · Mar 15, 2017

The SNP wants independence from the UK because it will no longer part of the EU?

So it would rather join the Euro and 28 other countries dominated by Germany/France making the decisions in what may eventually become the ' united states of Europe'

Doesn't make a lot of sense to me.

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