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    Doesn't get much of a mention re: Brexit but they voted 96% to remain.

    I would imagine that most people voting leave would probably also believe that the rock should remain under our control. However the people who live there have overwhelmingly agreed with 50% of that argument.

    Interesting isn't it ?

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      Doesn't get much of a mention re: Brexit but they voted 96% to remain.

      I would imagine that most people voting leave would probably also believe that the rock should remain under our control. However the people who live there have overwhelmingly agreed with 50% of that argument.

      Interesting isn't it ?
      The Falklands voted 99% to stay British. Gib are worried that when we leave they will not be British anymore.........time for a once in a lifetime referendum.
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      Doesn't get much of a mention re: Brexit but they voted 96% to remain.

      I would imagine that most people voting leave would probably also believe that the rock should remain under our control. However the people who live there have overwhelmingly agreed with 50% of that argument.

      Interesting isn't it ?
      The last vote on staying with the UK was over 99% in favour........think they hunted down the few that voted against.......
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      End Of Empire. If we were to be around a hundred years from now, the world map would doubtless look decidedly different. Gibraltar would belong to Spain, The Falklands would belong to Argentina, Northern Ireland would be reunited with Southern Ireland. Tho who Spain, Argentina and Ireland would belong to is anybody's guess.
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      Let them declare independence then. Couldn't care less about Gibraltar to be honest, it's a bit of a joke that we somehow still 'own' it.

      Just the same hilarious contradiction that most ex pats I know (and I know a few) are anti EU but also 'Britain is on its arse that's why we left'. Strangely most also seem to be devastated that we are now leaving the EU as it may **** them over and they will no longer be able to nip back to the UK for a month a year to ensure they still get all their free healthcare and state pension.
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      The Falklands voted 99% to stay British. Gib are worried that when we leave they will not be British anymore.........time for a once in a lifetime referendum.
      I'd imagine membership of the EU is more important to our friends on the rock.

      I'm not taking a position here on Brexit here beyond I'm an admitted reluctant remain.

      Just commentating on the fact that nationalism ( or more accurately sense of which nation you belong to ) is a bit more complex than "out of Europe".

      If the SNP are using Brexit to further their own political agenda, but if the Gibraltarians asked to remain as part of the single market (and free movement) would hardened Brexiters accuse them of the same ?

      I used to be of the same opinion that Gibraltar and The Falklands are a hangover of Empire etc.. but changed my opinion a few years ago. In reality they are hardly colonising forces at play here. If the generations of people who have lived there vote to remain as part of this country so be it. Self determination etc...

      I'm also of the belief that successive UK Governments would love to dump the Falklands but public opinion (and the UN now) keeps them part of here.

      Personally ? It's up to the people there to decide.
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      Maybe when Scotland and Northern Ireland have left the UK we could spend some of that £350 million a week looking after Gibraltar and the Falklands.
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      Doesn't get much of a mention re: Brexit but they voted 96% to remain.

      I would imagine that most people voting leave would probably also believe that the rock should remain under our control. However the people who live there have overwhelmingly agreed with 50% of that argument.

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      Overwhelmingly agreed with 50%?




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      I'd imagine membership of the EU is more important to our friends on the rock.

      I'm not taking a position here on Brexit here beyond I'm an admitted reluctant remain.

      Just commentating on the fact that nationalism ( or more accurately sense of which nation you belong to ) is a bit more complex than "out of Europe".

      If the SNP are using Brexit to further their own political agenda, but if the Gibraltarians asked to remain as part of the single market (and free movement) would hardened Brexiters accuse them of the same ?

      I used to be of the same opinion that Gibraltar and The Falklands are a hangover of Empire etc.. but changed my opinion a few years ago. In reality they are hardly colonising forces at play here. If the generations of people who have lived there vote to remain as part of this country so be it. Self determination etc...

      I'm also of the belief that successive UK Governments would love to dump the Falklands but public opinion (and the UN now) keeps them part of here.

      Personally ? It's up to the people there to decide.
      The Falklands are nothing to do with this debate. Gibraltar, however - that's a difficult one. Negotiations will be needed. How about - the EU (and specifically Spain) - take Scotland off our hands and we'll let you have Gibraltar? (You could combine them, and maybe once in a blue moon they'd qualify for the World Cup finals).





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      Doesn't get much of a mention re: Brexit but they voted 96% to remain.

      I would imagine that most people voting leave would probably also believe that the rock should remain under our control. However the people who live there have overwhelmingly agreed with 50% of that argument.

      Interesting isn't it ?
      If you're suggesting May would sell them down the river as part of a deal then I suspect you're right.
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