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"Should porn be on the school curriculum?"



tiberious

tiberious

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Nov 3, 2009
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well im my day ..born in the 60's not 1860 by the way, we had Muffin the Mule .... that's an offence and shag the dog so its not a new idea..as long as we don't teach them that women are equal next thing they will want is the vote :laugh:
sorry Lush and Edna x
 






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The Rivet

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Aug 9, 2011
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The are very disturbing aspects to all this. If I had young children in schools these days with talk of it being a 'compulsory' subject I'd be more than just a little freaked.
 


GT49er

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The Rivet said:
The are very disturbing aspects to all this. If I had young children in schools these days with talk of it being a 'compulsory' subject I'd be more than just a little freaked.
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Yes, rather inclined to agree with this. Don't have any answers as to what the best thing to do would be though. Yes, want to protect kids, of course - but also like the idea of letting them stay kids as long as possible. We used to play unsupervised in the street, the park, or on the recreation grounds. There were risks, to be sure, and I'm sure our parents worried about us, but they weighed up the risks against the benefits of letting us play, and be children.
I think they got it right.................................
 


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The Rivet

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I know people are checking this thread so bearing in mind 'Porn on the internet or otherwise' being a compulsory subject for children in schools I'm going to give you some bizarre tags. What do you think? You want to have to deal with these issues with your children?!

**************************************, and many more. It is not just the exploitation of women is it? It is perversions too. Weird world. Thank god my children are adults. We should protect our kids not introduce them to the concept of the whole big world of 'Porn'

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Sorry but hey the government want you to deal with it!
 
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GT49er

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The Rivet said:
I know people are checking this thread so bearing in mind 'Porn on the internet or otherwise' being a compulsory subject for children in schools I'm going to give you some bizarre tags. What do you think? You want to have to deal with these issues with your children?!
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And if it's not bad enough answering questions like, "Where do babies come from?" and "How do babies get into Mummy's tummy?" when they spring them on you out of the blue, imagine being confronted in the middle of Sainsbury's or Tesco's with the likes of:
"Daddy, is Mummy a MILF?" or
"Mummy, do you take it up the ar8e? Why not?"
Shudder............
 


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The Rivet

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GT49er said:
And if it's not bad enough answering questions like, "Where do babies come from?" and "How do babies get into Mummy's tummy?" when they spring them on you out of the blue, imagine being confronted in the middle of Sainsbury's or Tesco's with the likes of:
"Daddy, is Mummy a MILF?" or
"Mummy, do you take it up the ar8e? Why not?"
Shudder............
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Yep shudder! At the age of two my youngster shouted out 'F**k' at the supermarket checkout. I was so appalled that my language changed rapidly! That was enough for me.
 


BadFish

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Pogue Mahone said:
Children are now exposed to porn from a very early age, and it is nigh on impossible to avoid this. So it seems logical to me that schools should educate children in this area - teaching them about exploitation, respect, relationships...

Porn normalises sex without respect, love, any sort of meaning beyond getting your rocks off. Surely it is better if children are made aware of something better, something more substantial?
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This, teach for the world as it is, not as it 'should' be.
 




pastafarian

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Sep 4, 2011
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i agree......why not? lets teach kids porn
Its progressive and the progressives are always right,

next stop.....incest



its just consenting adults after all,if progressives are correct about incest they must be right about porn
 


BBassic

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It could be included in a more well rounded sex education curriculum.

When I was in school, early - mid nineties, our sex education lesson (just the one, that's all we had) consisted of watching a video detailing what the male and female genitalia did and how each worked. That was it. There was nothing about love, safety, respect.

I generally found our PSE (Personal and Social Education) classes to be quite lacking. They taught us stuff like how to conduct yourself in a job interview, which was massively helpful at 10 years old. Most of us just used them as a chance to do homework for other classes.

I'm neither teacher nor parent so only going on my experiences from twenty years ago but there seemed to be such a focus on getting the school good grades for the league table thing that teaching us how to behave and act in a modern society was left largely up to us. It was about results not education.
 


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GT49er said:
Yes, rather inclined to agree with this. Don't have any answers as to what the best thing to do would be though. Yes, want to protect kids, of course - but also like the idea of letting them stay kids as long as possible. We used to play unsupervised in the street, the park, or on the recreation grounds. There were risks, to be sure, and I'm sure our parents worried about us, but they weighed up the risks against the benefits of letting us play, and be children.
I think they got it right.................................
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There in lies much of the issue though, doesn't it. Kids no longer just play on the streets, at least not as they used to. They're inside and parents are increasingly giving them tablets and computers and games consoles which expose them to any number of things from porn to paedophiles.

Basically, the situation has changed and the curriculum needs to change to mirror modern society's needs and issues.
 




GT49er

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sussex_guy2k2 said:
There in lies much of the issue though, doesn't it. Kids no longer just play on the streets, at least not as they used to. They're inside and parents are increasingly giving them tablets and computers and games consoles which expose them to any number of things from porn to paedophiles.

Basically, the situation has changed and the curriculum needs to change to mirror modern society's needs and issues.
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So, should education aim to uplift and improve - indeed, to educate, or just pander to the lowest common denominator?
 


Tom Hark Preston Park

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Jul 6, 2003
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True story: in his last year at primary school, my young nephew in Aberdeenshire, maybe aged about ten or something, came home very upset from school one day.

Mum: "What's wrong son?"

Nephew: "The boys at school are calling you a MILF, mum. What's a MILF?"

Mum: "Och! I don't know son. We'll ask your dad when he gets in"

:ohmy:
 


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GT49er said:
So, should education aim to uplift and improve - indeed, to educate, or just pander to the lowest common denominator?
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Well the lowest common denominator in this situation is letting parents discuss it with their children. As per other members' posts on here, most parents hate even discussing how babies are made with their kids, let alone discussing porn with them. So, as an ex-teacher who's seen the ignorant and often confused state of many young people these days, I'm very much in the camp of educating them to the best of the state's ability on the issues that they are likely to face.

Although, and I might add that this isn't always the case, I have been in a couple of schools that have dealt with the issue of pornography and tried to educate young people about it. One such school was an all girls school, and the topics discussed ranged from things such as 'it isn't only men that watch porn', all the way to 'men will try and act like porn stars' and 'men treat women like shit because porn teaches them to'. These sentiments can actually be very dangerous to young people, and in this particular school, it took on a very anti-men stance, which I personally thought made an important topic into a rather dangerous one. The long and the short of it, for me at least, is that it needs to happen, but it needs to happen within a broader sex education scheme, and it needs to be handled with a lot of care and sensitivity so that neither gender is victimised.
 




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sussex_guy2k2

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Tom Hark said:
True story: in his last year at primary school, my young nephew in Aberdeenshire, maybe aged about ten or something, came home very upset from school one day.

Mum: "What's wrong son?"

Nephew: "The boys at school are calling you a MILF, mum. What's a MILF?"

Mum: "Och! I don't know son. We'll ask your dad when he gets in"

:ohmy:
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Is she though? :banana:
 




GT49er

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sussex_guy2k2 said:
.............I'm very much in the camp of educating them to the best of the state's ability on the issues that they are likely to face.
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And there, in a nutshell, we have the first snag............

sussex_guy2k2 said:
Well the lowest common denominator in this situation is letting parents discuss it with their children. As per other members' posts on here, most parents hate even discussing how babies are made with their kids, let alone discussing porn with them. So, as an ex-teacher who's seen the ignorant and often confused state of many young people these days, I'm very much in the camp of educating them to the best of the state's ability on the issues that they are likely to face.
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"Well the lowest common denominator in this situation is letting parents discuss it with their children." Is it? Really? Maybe unconsciously you have re-iterated the education establishment's (and some teachers') somewhat arrogant view that they know best. Maybe, just maybe, parents are better able to judge when their child is ready, not just that he/she is in Year 3 (or whenever) that the school has decided that everybody is ready - and if they're not, tough luck: they should be (probably the parents' fault!!)
Parents may well dread the moments when awkward questions come up, or when 'that' conversation has to be had - but most of us parents have done it, and have grown up kids now in good relationships/marriages. OK, there are bad parents too, but taking it for granted that teachers can do a better job than all parents is taking it a bit too far.
Even you have given an example of a school, albeit well-intentioned, I'm sure, giving porn lessons that may well have done more harm than good.
 


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Shropshire Seagull

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Why not?

After all, there must be a slot in the curriculum timetable now as there's feck-all point teaching them about mortgages and compound saving interest .....
 




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sussex_guy2k2

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GT49er said:
And there, in a nutshell, we have the first snag............


"Well the lowest common denominator in this situation is letting parents discuss it with their children." Is it? Really? Maybe unconsciously you have re-iterated the education establishment's (and some teachers') somewhat arrogant view that they know best. Maybe, just maybe, parents are better able to judge when their child is ready, not just that he/she is in Year 3 (or whenever) that the school has decided that everybody is ready - and if they're not, tough luck: they should be (probably the parents' fault!!)
Parents may well dread the moments when awkward questions come up, or when 'that' conversation has to be had - but most of us parents have done it, and have grown up kids now in good relationships/marriages. OK, there are bad parents too, but taking it for granted that teachers can do a better job than all parents is taking it a bit too far.
Even you have given an example of a school, albeit well-intentioned, I'm sure, giving porn lessons that may well have done more harm than good.
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First and foremost, you are making the assumption that teachers teach these subjects currently in schools. They rarely do. There are "experts" that are usually brought in for this type of thing, or at least there were in the schools I worked in.

I also appreciate why you're getting defensive. You're right, there are a lot of good parents out there, but there are A LOT of bad parents too. Unfortunately, the latter generally outweigh the former from my experience of being on the other end of the scale too.

The example I gave was of one bad experience (where I, as one of the supervising teachers, actually spoke up to question what was being taught). There are plenty of much better examples I can give where children have had excellent experiences discussing topics they've never ever discussed before. For example, in the first school I worked at, I asked my form group how many of their parents had discussed sex or sexual education or any of the surrounding topics with them. Out of the 30ish of them, there was only one of them that had discussed sex with their parents, and that was only after she'd got pregnant in year 8! The rest said they learned everything they knew about sex off of a) the TV, b) porn and c) their mates. From that, I was able to bring in some out of school specialists who taught them all of the basics about sexual health, the forms of protection, the law (both in terms of age and in terms of what constituted sexual assault/rape etc) and then discussed their perception of sex compared to what they'd seen on TV and porn. It was a universally enjoyed day because the students found out things they'd never had a forum to discuss them in before, and actually, much of the feedback centred on the fact that they'd prefer to learn about these things with their friends rather than having to discuss them with their parents.

I guess the example I give above only solidifies why I stand on the side I do in this debate. In reality, both parents and schools should work together to provide a good sexual education to children. Parents shouldn't neglect giving their children a good sexual education just because one is provided, nor should schools be negligent enough to not provide a sexual education on topics that are very relevant in modern society, such as porn.
 
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Bob'n'weave

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Talk about it yes. Show it, not so sure. How can a teacher possibly navigate the 'sexual identity' maize when presented with the 'categories' list on XHamster??? We need stiff government guidelines on this.
 


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