Firing Squads and Gas Chambers

Blackadder · Feb 9, 2017

Could they not get one of those little rich girls you see on Facebook, you know, the ones that shoot vicious giraffes and then have their picture taken, to carry out the executions?

It could be shown on TV (Pay Per View of course). Premium payers could watch a little waterboarding first.

"It's gonna be great" :thumbsup:

symyjym · Feb 9, 2017

One Love said:
I find it very strange that the abominable acts that America did in the dropping of the two bombs seems to have been deemed as acceptable by history. The second bomb was a different type so they could test it against the first and see it's effect on live subjects!

I'm sure the correct deterrent for continued hostilities would have been a live test on a remote island as a warning then saying to Japan the next one is on you unless you surrender.

However then they wouldn't have known what the true effect on humans would be.

It has been said that the Soviet Union was on the verge of defeating Japan and the first bomb wasn't even necessary.

The bomb was most likely dropped so the US could claim the victory before the USSR. I think this is a view that many historians share today.

nicko31 · Feb 9, 2017

DavidinSouthampton said:
To be fair, I didn't read the original post as blaming this on Trump. Anybody with any sense would realise that the execution thing predated him - it hasn't occurred in the last 2 or three weeks. But Trump certainly won't make it any better.

But there is a valid point about what sort of country does one want to be identified with. Even though Obama might have presided over the same situation, at least he wanted to change it.

My own concern is that we might, if we over-alienate ourselves from Europe, be pushed in to becoming de-facto the 51st state.

The last time the special relationship got special it ended badly. Nothing wrong with a friendship but not a marriage, most of Trumps values are not ours

junior · Feb 9, 2017

What's this got to do with Trump?

I'm getting so pissed off with people blaming everything on Trump, even when it has nothing to do with him, that i am now going to support him. I suspect this is how he came into power and if the 'antis' are not careful he'll probably get re-elected again.

brightn'ove · Feb 9, 2017

Buzzer said:
Hmm... This is the type of thread Gregbrighton would have posted. I wonder.....

'Where's your favourite gas chamber?'

heathgate · Feb 9, 2017

Dick Head said:
I was under the impression that this was to do with European companies refusing to sell the drugs used in lethal injections to the US.

Bloody Europe!

Ha.. yes.... the irony of it....

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brakespear · Feb 9, 2017

Notters said:
Because we've taken back control

Nobody said anything about not giving it to someone else after :thumbsup:

TheJasperCo · Feb 9, 2017

Dick Head said:
I was under the impression that this was to do with European companies refusing to sell the drugs used in lethal injections to the US.

Bloody Europe!

Wouldn't happen in the Fatherland.

Two Professors · Feb 9, 2017

TheJasperCo said:
Wouldn't happen in the Fatherland.

Cooking with Gas!

Finchley Seagull · Feb 9, 2017

rippleman said:
And in reply I would ask you:

Why have we been looking to get closer to Saudi Arabia and China for years? Is it because of their gleaming spotless record on human rights?

Personally I oppose the death penalty, but at least in the US you get a fair trial and an appeals process before they execute you. Same can't be said for our other "best buddies" can it?

I think a lot of people on death row in the US would argue that's not true. There's a number of stories of people being executed wrongly despite overwhelming evidence showing their conviction should be quashed. Funnily enough, they seem to have one thing in common.

I'm not arguing we should be getting closer to Saudi Arabia and China. I'm very against it until they both dramatically improve their human rights record. As others have said, by alienating ourselves from Europe, we leave ourselves trying to build stronger relationships with countries like these.

Two Professors · Feb 9, 2017

Bit of a confusing thread.Is it blaming Trump for Hiroshima and Nagasaki?Do the 33 states with the death penalty have 100% Trump votes?Obama had 8 years but did nothing about it-why?

Jospeh · Feb 9, 2017

One Love said:
I find it very strange that the abominable acts that America did in the dropping of the two bombs seems to have been deemed as acceptable by history. The second bomb was a different type so they could test it against the first and see it's effect on live subjects!

I'm sure the correct deterrent for continued hostilities would have been a live test on a remote island as a warning then saying to Japan the next one is on you unless you surrender.

However then they wouldn't have known what the true effect on humans would be.

History has always been written by the victors!

BigGully · Feb 9, 2017

Dick Head said:
I was under the impression that this was to do with European companies refusing to sell the drugs used in lethal injections to the US.

Bloody Europe!

Aaaah of course the USA really need europe to produce those medicines, dont they ?

You can just see it .....

Brussels, I was thinking of banning the supply of drugs to the USA that might be used in lethal injection.

Advisor: But we dont supply them anyway

Brussels: Perfect, just perfect, thats what we'll do then.

and you get your europe flagged boxer shorts all in a tizzy, how dozy can you possibly be.

Dick Head · Feb 9, 2017

BigGully said:
Aaaah of course the USA really need europe to produce those medicines, dont they ?

You can just see it .....

Brussels, I was thinking of banning the supply of drugs to the USA that might be used in lethal injection.

Advisor: But we dont supply them anyway

Brussels: Perfect, just perfect, thats what we'll do then.

and you get your europe flagged boxer shorts all in a tizzy, how dozy can you possibly be.

Can Europe End the Death Penalty in America? - https://www.theatlantic.com/interna...rope-end-the-death-penalty-in-america/283790/

Europe Pushes to Keep Lethal Injection Drugs From U.S. Prisons - https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...thal-injection-drugs-from-u-dot-s-dot-prisons

ZZzzzzzzzzz...

Cian · Feb 9, 2017

BigGully said:
Aaaah of course the USA really need europe to produce those medicines, dont they ?

Except that's actually what happened, pretty much. Lundbeck as manufacturer pulled the drug used for most lethal injections some years ago and other drugs have become impossible to get also. They're all quite old and out of patent but there is little demand for another generic maker to enter the market as the demand for death penalty use is very little and they'd find it hard to get other customers.

symyjym · Feb 9, 2017

It is strange that it is really easy and non painful to put a dog to sleep but we struggle with the right lethal drugs for humans.

Surely they would use the same drug as used on animals, and if not, I wonder why not. :shrug:

Neville's Breakfast · Feb 9, 2017

Finchley Seagull said:
I think a lot of people on death row in the US would argue that's not true. There's a number of stories of people being executed wrongly despite overwhelming evidence showing their conviction should be quashed. Funnily enough, they seem to have one thing in common.

I'm not arguing we should be getting closer to Saudi Arabia and China. I'm very against it until they both dramatically improve their human rights record. As others have said, by alienating ourselves from Europe, we leave ourselves trying to build stronger relationships with countries like these.

Except the attempt to strengthen relationships with China and Saudi Arabia pre date the referendum. In or out of the EU this country would be pursuing this agenda.

Finchley Seagull · Feb 9, 2017

Neville's Breakfast said:
Except the attempt to strengthen relationships with China and Saudi Arabia pre date the referendum. In or out of the EU this country would be pursuing this agenda.

I didn't say we weren't. But it does mean we have to focus on relationships like this more. But that is was the majority apparently wanted, so great!

GT49er · Feb 9, 2017

studio150 said:
All this to ensure that inmates can be put to death without violating the constitutional prohibitions against cruel and unusual punishment.

Personally i would have thought that death is cruel but 33 states still have the death penalty.

Death is cruel, you're quite right. But not unusual.

GT49er · Feb 9, 2017

symyjym said:
It has been said that the Soviet Union was on the verge of defeating Japan and the first bomb wasn't even necessary.

The bomb was most likely dropped so the US could claim the victory before the USSR. I think this is a view that many historians share today.

I think it's a view that you hold today............

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