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    Well, innocent of causing trouble in the middle east for example.
    Yep, innocent of causing the trouble in the ME.

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      Quote Originally Posted by cjd View Post
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      I don't recall mentioning Bush or Blair and I have never mentioned them in any post on any part of this forum. It wouldn't have mattered if Mother Theresa had been in control of the West, these savages would still have been butchering and murdering each other in the name of their religion.

      They always have done and sadly they always will do.
      As I have said I am no fan of Islam but we have to learn our own lessons and sending our soldiers to war under false pretences and without backing from the UN isn't leading by example. We let ourselves down big time, not once, not twice, it's three bloody times.

      Islam cannot change because it's written in their stupid book and hadiths's how to act when cornered. The west doesn't have this problem, it just needs to start behaving itself on the world stage because right now we live in a Hypocrisy not a Democracy.
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      The west doesn't have this problem, it just needs to start behaving itself on the world stage because right now we live in a Hypocrisy not a Democracy.
      The west has very much had this problem in recent times (IRA, Basque bombings etc)

      It's got better regarding the IRA but lets no pretend our own religions haven't played a part in bloodshed in the west during recent times.

      RIP to all that were killed. Really not a good start to the year. It's a shame there are such sick and evil human beings!
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      Yep, innocent of causing the trouble in the ME.
      So their war with Afghanistan did nothing?
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      Quote Originally Posted by Triggaaar View Post
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      So their war with Afghanistan did nothing?
      That was the USSR and nothing to do with Putin. Afghanistan had a communist government backed by the Soviet Union and the US armed the Afghans to fight their war against them, but let's not get side tracked.
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      That was the USSR and nothing to do with Putin.
      I didn't say it was Putin. You're happy to look at the Bush and Blair, why won't you look at Russia's previous leaders? And the leaders of the USSR were the leaders of Russia.

      Afghanistan had a communist government backed by the Soviet Union and the US armed the Afghans to fight their war against them, but let's not get side tracked.
      It's not getting sidetracked, it's part of what caused problems in the middle east.
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      Erdogan has supported Islamism wherever he can, be in his own nation or abroad and now Turkey is going to have a problem on two fronts the Kurdish separatists and Islamism. Turkey is growing more religious by the day Kemal Ataturk vision of secularism is being destroyed by Erdogan and the Turkish people will suffer because of it.
      Any Armenians left alive may not consider Ataturk's Turkey as secular.
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      Quote Originally Posted by Triggaaar View Post
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      I didn't say it was Putin. You're happy to look at the Bush and Blair, why won't you look at Russia's previous leaders? And the leaders of the USSR were the leaders of Russia.

      It's not getting sidetracked, it's part of what caused problems in the middle east.
      We were clearly talking about Russia not the old USSR. Bush Blair Cameron Obama Putin are all relevant, dead leaders and old broken unions aren't. I've made my point, if you don't like it that's fine.
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      Quote Originally Posted by Arundel_Seagull View Post
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      The west has very much had this problem in recent times (IRA, Basque bombings etc)

      It's got better regarding the IRA but lets no pretend our own religions haven't played a part in bloodshed in the west during recent times.

      RIP to all that were killed. Really not a good start to the year. It's a shame there are such sick and evil human beings!
      Yes but Jesus at the core of Christianity was peaceful and taught forgiveness, Islam on the other hand doesn't have the same luxury with Muhammad.
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      Any Armenians left alive may not consider Ataturk's Turkey as secular.
      Also, I doubt christians consider Turkey as secular any more.
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