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Swearing an oath to British values.







RexCathedra

Aurea Mediocritas
Jan 14, 2005
3,499
Vacationland
Sadly, I think you're right. "How do we talk to Daily Express man?"

I dunno though. If there's anything the last year should be teaching them, it's that ordinary people are fed up of stunts like this.

Not fed up enough yet to move the polls, though. And that's all that matters.
 


Herr Tubthumper

Well-known member
NSC Patron
Jul 11, 2003
59,581
The Fatherland
What a bizarre, idiotic and totally and utterly unworkable idea. Are we really paying MPs to waste time coming up with this sort of nonsense?
 




RexCathedra

Aurea Mediocritas
Jan 14, 2005
3,499
Vacationland
I'm afraid that all of us who are not graced with being able to live in England's green and pleasant land read stuff like this and think this:

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Buzzer

Languidly Clinical
Oct 1, 2006
26,121
Not fed up enough yet to move the polls, though. And that's all that matters.

Apropos the wave of populism sweeping the West and the snobbery/disdain shown by the establishment towards this movement, this letter to the Financial Times this week hits the nail well and truly on the head. Sadly, stunts like this stupid oath idea miss the point completely about what patriotism means to the common man.

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El Presidente

The ONLY Gay in Brighton
Helpful Moderator
Jul 5, 2003
39,713
Pattknull med Haksprut
The oath is a stunt, an embarrassment, to appease the idiots on the right (not the smart ones).

There should be one simple test, simply ask "Do you have a mate called Big Dave"?

If the answer is Yes, then high fives all round. if the answer is No, then feck off.
 




GT49er

Well-known member
Feb 1, 2009
46,746
Gloucester
Should have been brought I years ago.......this is one thing the Americans have got right in respect of immigration, and we haven't. Sooner the PLP realises this, the sooner that disaffected Labour voters will come back in droves.
 




Not Andy Naylor

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Dec 12, 2007
8,798
Seven Dials
The oath is a stunt, an embarrassment, to appease the idiots on the right (not the smart ones).

There should be one simple test, simply ask "Do you have a mate called Big Dave"?

If the answer is Yes, then high fives all round. if the answer is No, then feck off.

It's like that test that citizenship test that required people to know things about local government and the royal succession that even British-born people didn't. Really it should have been something like:

Complete these well known phrases or sayings:
1. Nice to see you, to see you .....
2. It's goodnight from me, and it's goodnight ..... ..., ..........
3. My old man said Be a Palace fan, I said ...... ....... ..... ..... .. .....
 




Cheshire Cat

The most curious thing..
The oath is a stunt, an embarrassment, to appease the idiots on the right (not the smart ones).

There should be one simple test, simply ask "Do you have a mate called Little Nige"?

If the answer is Yes, then feck off back to the States as you obviously prefer it there, if the answer is No, then high fives all round.

Corrected for you.
 


TheJasperCo

Well-known member
Jan 20, 2012
4,596
Exeter
It's probably the most inane attempt at appeasing modern-day populism I've ever heard. And now just you watch as the Express and Mail lap it up.
 


cheshunt seagull

Well-known member
Jul 5, 2003
2,498
In the public sector we have large amounts of training in applying values at work in the way we deal with people. If people fail in this there are already a large number of measures that can be taken. These may not always be applied as much as I would like to see but this stunt will not add anything that isn't already there. I don't get why we are being singled-out; we are not hotbeds of intolerance or subversion just people that are trying to offer a decent service to all members of the community in increasingly difficult circumstances......and paying all our taxes. .
 




The Spanish

Well-known member
Aug 12, 2008
6,477
P
The oath is a stunt, an embarrassment, to appease the idiots on the right (not the smart ones).

There should be one simple test, simply ask "Do you have a mate called Big Dave"?

If the answer is Yes, then high fives all round. if the answer is No, then feck off.

It's not some much done to appease idiots on the right as massive guesswork by out of touch people in the centre done to convince themselves they are still in the game. "The idiots on the right" will think it's a load of old guff written by some olly reader type.
 


Toby_quantrill

New member
Aug 14, 2014
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In the public sector we have large amounts of training in applying values at work in the way we deal with people. If people fail in this there are already a large number of measures that can be taken. These may not always be applied as much as I would like to see but this stunt will not add anything that isn't already there. I don't get why we are being singled-out; we are not hotbeds of intolerance or subversion just people that are trying to offer a decent service to all members of the community in increasingly difficult circumstances......and paying all our taxes. .
Spot on. In reality our day to day lives and affected as much,and probably far more, by the actions of people working in the private sector. And let's face it, if you want to look for institutions where 'values' seem to be a problem I don't think the public sector is the place to start. Finance sector, media, marketing, Football?

Anyway the whole idea is clearly very stupid. As per the consensus expressed here.

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BadFish

Huge Member
Oct 19, 2003
17,119
Public servants should be forced to wear bowler hats too.
 


Eeyore

Colonel Hee-Haw of Queen's Park
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Apr 5, 2014
23,585
I'm as patriotic as anyone and dearly love being British but I'll be buggered if I had to swear an oath to prove my loyalty to this green and pleasant land.

Bloody stupid idea. We're not Yanks, for Pete's sake.

100% this.
 






Jan 30, 2008
31,981
Your thoughts :)

Thousands of people could have to swear oath of allegiance to British values
Communities Secretary Sajid Javid said civic and political leaders should 'lead by example' and this could include swearing an oath to abide by British values.

Every public office-holder should swear an oath of allegiance to British values, the communities secretary Sajid Javid has said.

The pledge would cover elected officials, civil servants, and council workers, but could also be extended to NHS and BBC staff.

The proposal is a response to a report on social cohesion by Dame Louise Casey, which said some sections of society did not accept British values such as tolerance.

Writing in the Sunday Times, Mr Javis said he was “drawn” to Dame Louise’s recommendation to bring in an oath of allegiance because it was impossible for people to play a “positive role” in public life unless they accepted basic values such as democracy and equality.

“If we are going to challenge such attitudes, civic and political leaders have to lead by example.

We can’t expect new arrivals to embrace British values if those of us who are already here don’t do so ourselves, and such an oath would go a long way to making that happen.”

The oath could include phrases such as “tolerating the views of others even if you disagree with them”, as well as “believing in freedom of speech, freedom of religion, freedom from abuse ... a belief in equality, democracy, and the democratic process” and “respect for the law, even if you think the law is an ass.”

The plans have been condemned, however, as being superficial and divisive. Liberal Democrat home affairs spokesman Lord Brian Paddick said: "Forcing public servants to swear an oath to British values would be both superficial and divisive.

"We should be talking about the universal values that unite us, not using nationalistic terms that exclude people.

"The Government must focus on integrating those small pockets of people living in segregated communities.

"Instead they are creating hostility towards all minority communities, the vast majority of whom want to be an integrated part of the United Kingdom."

Labour's shadow home secretary Diane Abbott said the move would not combat radicalisation.

She told Sky News: "I have nothing against it in principle, but it will not make a difference to the problems of radicalisation, or integration.

"I don't think the oath will make any verifiable difference."

Former chancellor George Osborne hailed the idea as a "great initiative", and ex-culture secretary John Whittingdale also said he supported the oath.

In her report, Dame Louise said that immigrants should have more access to English language classes and be made to take an “oath of allegiance” to improve integration efforts.

The review was set up in 2015 by the then Prime Minister David Cameron to consider what could be done to boost integration in isolated and deprived communities.

Dame Louise said there were areas that were struggling to cope with the pace and scale of change they faced as a result of immigration while there were still large social and economic gaps between different ethnic groups.

In particular, she highlighted the plight of women who found themselves marginalised through poor English language skills while being subjected to “coercive control, violence and criminal acts of abuse, often enacted in the name of cultural or religious values”.

In a wide-ranging set of recommendations the review called for more English classes for isolated groups, greater mixing among young people through activities such as sport, and a new “oath of integration” enshrining British values for all holders of public office.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-to-swear-an-oath-of-allegiance-a7482421.html
just empty words I'm afraid
regards
DR
 


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