This is the concern that for whatever reason a certain sector of the population have turned to the far right, without considering the full impact of their decision. There is clearly a wider divide within society to-day and one where those that are supporting the far side of the spectrum are very vocal in shouting down any one who doesn't agree with their views. Indeed some have a closed mind to accepting anything is wrong and refuse to accept that anything they say is wrong.
There have baan a few street demonstrations on the streets against Trump, but how many people would actually be prepared to go onto the streets to protest against the far right here. I would suggest that almost all are happy to complain behind closed curtains with trusted friends but would be very reluctant to take to the streets. While I am not suggesting we are in the realms of Hitler (currently) I can see how such a figure could rise to power on the back of promising jobs and a better world to those who are easily led, with others accepting the democratic vote and although voicing concerns are not full motivated to object until it is too late.
This could - although we must all ope it doesn't - lead to either a civil war or a world war where the USA, UK, and others are now to the right.
Yes you could call this alarmist, but if you plant a field full with seeds some will grow despite the pecking away by birds and weather. Hopefully as people see what is further on up the road if we continue to follow this jump to the right, most will see that the journey is one that is better abandoned and return to more central politics.
I notice that NSC's resident 'libertarian' is unaware of the distinction between fascism and libertarianism.
ĎI donít know what the hellís going on, in the most wonderful way!í
I think it's about understanding why the left has lost these people.
The working class in America and the UK has never been and isn't en masse, liberal. They identified with socialism because it made sense to them economically and the 1970's versions of those parties, whilst being more liberal than the Tories/Republicans, (which wasn't hard.) were a type of liberal that most could identify with. As the neo-liberals in the 90's and 00's in the Democratic and Labour Parties decreased the socialism whilst amping up the liberalism they have more and more ceased to represent working class people. In the meantime the Tory Party in their long period out of Government has picked up much of the 'common sense liberal' ground that the Labour Party used to hold.
This is the confusion at the heart of today's Labour Party, it wants to be liberal to appeal to the middle class vote that won them the Blair majorities, without realising that liberalism is costing them their core support. The average working family man couldn't give a **** about Lesbians, Transexuals, Muslims etc..... At best it's a non-issue and at worst an active dislike.
The thing that the 'alt-right' has picked up on is the core illiberalism of large swathes of the electorate. As hard as it is for me to stomach, it has got to be the case if a man who has outed himself as a racist, misogynist just won the American election because that was better than 'more of the same.'
You see it all the time on this forum, the Blairite/ Clinton legacy of people assuming that left automatically means Liberal. To be perfectly honest, I have no idea how 'the left' puts that genie back in the bottle. And nor does the left, hence Corbyn.
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"For those of you who aren't particularly happy with what happened in 2016,I've got some really bad news for you-it's going to get a bl**dy sight worse next year!"-The Nigel 24/11/16.
Socialist: A governmental system that advocates community ownership and control of all lands and businesses rather than individual ownership.
Your beef is with liberalism
Liberalism: Liberals believe in government action to achieve equal opportunity and equality for all. It is the duty of the government to alleviate social ills and to protect civil liberties and individual and human rights.
Blair conflated the two in this country and that's why he won 3 elections. He was however, no socialist as his attitude toward big business and privatisation demonstrated.