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    Quote Originally Posted by Albumen View Post
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    Woah woah woah there, interesting take on the nationalist irony you've taken.

    "Surely it's part of the maintenance bill? Let the immigrant inbreds pay for it themselves." If you think I was being racist you've missed the point entirely.
    Irony or not, imagine staying something ironic about the Syrian refugees or Pakistani immigrants.
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      Please note, I am NOT comparing what is going on at the moment to Nazi Germany but an awareness of history is fundamental here.

      You are I assume aware that people had 'had enough' in Germany in 1933 as well. Hitler seemed a reasonable alternative in the 1933 General Election to the 43.91% that voted for him. Within months, the Reichstag had been disbanded. Fascism didn't creep up in Germany, it turned up promising the world and MONTHS later it was too late.
      This is the concern that for whatever reason a certain sector of the population have turned to the far right, without considering the full impact of their decision. There is clearly a wider divide within society to-day and one where those that are supporting the far side of the spectrum are very vocal in shouting down any one who doesn't agree with their views. Indeed some have a closed mind to accepting anything is wrong and refuse to accept that anything they say is wrong.

      There have baan a few street demonstrations on the streets against Trump, but how many people would actually be prepared to go onto the streets to protest against the far right here. I would suggest that almost all are happy to complain behind closed curtains with trusted friends but would be very reluctant to take to the streets. While I am not suggesting we are in the realms of Hitler (currently) I can see how such a figure could rise to power on the back of promising jobs and a better world to those who are easily led, with others accepting the democratic vote and although voicing concerns are not full motivated to object until it is too late.

      This could - although we must all ope it doesn't - lead to either a civil war or a world war where the USA, UK, and others are now to the right.

      Yes you could call this alarmist, but if you plant a field full with seeds some will grow despite the pecking away by birds and weather. Hopefully as people see what is further on up the road if we continue to follow this jump to the right, most will see that the journey is one that is better abandoned and return to more central politics.
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      I saw that this morning, horrific. Also the seminar by that **** Milo Yiannopoulos that's doing the rounds - it's very scary indeed.
      He was on C4 News the other day. Absolutely terrifying. The confidence combined with the content is indeed scary.
      I notice that NSC's resident 'libertarian' is unaware of the distinction between fascism and libertarianism.
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      You may be right, the far left may be currently more violent, but what do you consider more dangerous long term; the insidious return of Nationalism to mainstream politics whipped up by a popular media, or the overt violent behaviour of a few of the far left?
      The left haven't been engaging in violence for a long time. This is about its only strength at present.
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      You mean liberal politics. We haven't had a socialist in charge of this country for nearly 40 years.

      Socialist: A governmental system that advocates community ownership and control of all lands and businesses rather than individual ownership.

      Liberalism: Liberals believe in government action to achieve equal opportunity and equality for all. It is the duty of the government to alleviate social ills and to protect civil liberties and individual and human rights.
      Socialists have been pulling the strings to a point everybody else has been to scared to make statements on immigration for fear of getting the racist tag!


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      Because of the left leaning media is why. They will report this small meeting as the second coming of the Third Reich yet be as kind and as sympathetic as they can when reporting on any left leaning groups. Despite it being openly obvious which groups are most openly engaged in violent behaviour.



      This is what happens when the far left is allowed to run amok with little recourse. It says to other groups it's ok to spread extreme views openly.
      Care to share with us how you've worked out that the media is left-leaning?!
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      The problem is that simply condemning it doesn't seem to work, as recent elections have shown. We have to find some means of engaging with disaffected groups and persuading them that picking on "the other guy" is not a solution. Not at all easy and I have no immediate answers there. It's a lot easier to simply throw mud at anybody voicing far right views than to try and enter into some sort of dialogue with them but the results are there for all to see.
      I think it's about understanding why the left has lost these people.

      The working class in America and the UK has never been and isn't en masse, liberal. They identified with socialism because it made sense to them economically and the 1970's versions of those parties, whilst being more liberal than the Tories/Republicans, (which wasn't hard.) were a type of liberal that most could identify with. As the neo-liberals in the 90's and 00's in the Democratic and Labour Parties decreased the socialism whilst amping up the liberalism they have more and more ceased to represent working class people. In the meantime the Tory Party in their long period out of Government has picked up much of the 'common sense liberal' ground that the Labour Party used to hold.

      This is the confusion at the heart of today's Labour Party, it wants to be liberal to appeal to the middle class vote that won them the Blair majorities, without realising that liberalism is costing them their core support. The average working family man couldn't give a **** about Lesbians, Transexuals, Muslims etc..... At best it's a non-issue and at worst an active dislike.

      The thing that the 'alt-right' has picked up on is the core illiberalism of large swathes of the electorate. As hard as it is for me to stomach, it has got to be the case if a man who has outed himself as a racist, misogynist just won the American election because that was better than 'more of the same.'

      You see it all the time on this forum, the Blairite/ Clinton legacy of people assuming that left automatically means Liberal. To be perfectly honest, I have no idea how 'the left' puts that genie back in the bottle. And nor does the left, hence Corbyn.
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      The left haven't been engaging in violence for a long time. This is about its only strength at present.
      You are having a laugh,or do you consider Jezbollah's boot-boys right wing?
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      Socialists have been pulling the strings to a point everybody else has been to scared to make statements on immigration for fear of getting the racist tag!


      Socialist: A governmental system that advocates community ownership and control of all lands and businesses rather than individual ownership.

      Your beef is with liberalism

      Liberalism: Liberals believe in government action to achieve equal opportunity and equality for all. It is the duty of the government to alleviate social ills and to protect civil liberties and individual and human rights.

      Blair conflated the two in this country and that's why he won 3 elections. He was however, no socialist as his attitude toward big business and privatisation demonstrated.
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      You are having a laugh,or do you consider Jezbollah's boot-boys right wing?
      No, I don't, but please enlighten us of the kinds of violence they've perpetrated. Akin to that committed by Thomas Mair, for instance, or the Red Brigades?

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