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The rise of the far right
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studio150
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This is the concern that for whatever reason a certain sector of the population have turned to the far right, without considering the full impact of their decision. There is clearly a wider divide within society to-day and one where those that are supporting the far side of the spectrum are very vocal in shouting down any one who doesn't agree with their views. Indeed some have a closed mind to accepting anything is wrong and refuse to accept that anything they say is wrong.
There have baan a few street demonstrations on the streets against Trump, but how many people would actually be prepared to go onto the streets to protest against the far right here. I would suggest that almost all are happy to complain behind closed curtains with trusted friends but would be very reluctant to take to the streets. While I am not suggesting we are in the realms of Hitler (currently) I can see how such a figure could rise to power on the back of promising jobs and a better world to those who are easily led, with others accepting the democratic vote and although voicing concerns are not full motivated to object until it is too late.
This could - although we must all ope it doesn't - lead to either a civil war or a world war where the USA, UK, and others are now to the right.
Yes you could call this alarmist, but if you plant a field full with seeds some will grow despite the pecking away by birds and weather. Hopefully as people see what is further on up the road if we continue to follow this jump to the right, most will see that the journey is one that is better abandoned and return to more central politics.
Machiavelli
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He was on C4 News the other day. Absolutely terrifying. The confidence combined with the content is indeed scary.
I notice that NSC's resident 'libertarian' is unaware of the distinction between fascism and libertarianism.
Machiavelli
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The left haven't been engaging in violence for a long time. This is about its only strength at present.
Return of the Rev
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Socialists have been pulling the strings to a point everybody else has been to scared to make statements on immigration for fear of getting the racist tag!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vMPR6Ujop4k
Machiavelli
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Care to share with us how you've worked out that the media is left-leaning?!
spring hall convert
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I think it's about understanding why the left has lost these people.
The working class in America and the UK has never been and isn't en masse, liberal. They identified with socialism because it made sense to them economically and the 1970's versions of those parties, whilst being more liberal than the Tories/Republicans, (which wasn't hard.) were a type of liberal that most could identify with. As the neo-liberals in the 90's and 00's in the Democratic and Labour Parties decreased the socialism whilst amping up the liberalism they have more and more ceased to represent working class people. In the meantime the Tory Party in their long period out of Government has picked up much of the 'common sense liberal' ground that the Labour Party used to hold.
This is the confusion at the heart of today's Labour Party, it wants to be liberal to appeal to the middle class vote that won them the Blair majorities, without realising that liberalism is costing them their core support. The average working family man couldn't give a **** about Lesbians, Transexuals, Muslims etc..... At best it's a non-issue and at worst an active dislike.
The thing that the 'alt-right' has picked up on is the core illiberalism of large swathes of the electorate. As hard as it is for me to stomach, it has got to be the case if a man who has outed himself as a racist, misogynist just won the American election because that was better than 'more of the same.'
You see it all the time on this forum, the Blairite/ Clinton legacy of people assuming that left automatically means Liberal. To be perfectly honest, I have no idea how 'the left' puts that genie back in the bottle. And nor does the left, hence Corbyn.
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Two Professors
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spring hall convert
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Socialist: A governmental system that advocates community ownership and control of all lands and businesses rather than individual ownership.
Your beef is with liberalism
Liberalism: Liberals believe in government action to achieve equal opportunity and equality for all. It is the duty of the government to alleviate social ills and to protect civil liberties and individual and human rights.
Blair conflated the two in this country and that's why he won 3 elections. He was however, no socialist as his attitude toward big business and privatisation demonstrated.
Machiavelli
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You are having a laugh,or do you consider Jezbollah's boot-boys right wing?
No, I don't, but please enlighten us of the kinds of violence they've perpetrated. Akin to that committed by Thomas Mair, for instance, or the Red Brigades?
Return of the Rev
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Kosh
'The' Yaztromo
Whilst you make a fair point, as always, I do share the viewpoint that NSC is now infested with political threads. No matter the, emotive, subject matter it always reads the same: right versus left, with 'Roger' in the middle screaming; "Why can't we all just get along?!?" It's all too predictable and alas, a dreadfully boring read.
It's akin to the People's Front of Judea, shocked Guardian readers talking, hand wringing and solving precisely nothing.
Should really be in a sub-political forum, (should one be created?!?) and as for feeding this right wing stuff, or promoting it ... can I just ask why?
If I want to watch, read or digest this stuff I can.. I just don't think it has a place on a 'sporting' forum.
spring hall convert
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I sometimes get the idea that people think Hitler won the German election saying he was going to start a **** off World War and exterminate the Jews. He didn't.
However, it was all there in Mein Kampf.
However, it was all there in Mein Kampf.
Kosh
'The' Yaztromo
Good riddance.
Everything in moderation.
Everything in moderation.
Perhaps you have missed the point entirely.
Only one taxpayer will fund the Buckingham Palace repairs; The Queen.
http://royalcentral.co.uk/blogs/onl...the-buckingham-palace-repairs-the-queen-71930
And
First of all, Buckingham Palace isn’t actually owned by the Queen. It’s the property of the Crown Estate and is required to give all of its revenue to the Treasury.
Although the Monarch is allowed to live in the Palace, they also have to host hundreds of state functions every year. As the Huffington Post reports, the Monarch has been used by the Government as part of its strategy of ‘soft diplomacy’ when looking to woo foreign leaders.
Secondly, through the Crown Estate’s contributions to Government revenue, it has already paid for the renovation many times over. According to the Huffington Post, that number is exactly six times in the last 10 years, having paid £2.4 billion to the Treasury over that period.
This has gone towards paying for the NHS, schools, and emergency services – and in the last year alone, they handed over £304.1 million to the Exchequer.
The Monarch does get some of this money back from the Crown Estate profits, but this has been set at 15 per cent by way of the Sovereign Grant. Basically, that’s equivalent to us handing over 85 per cent of our income in taxes.
Buckingham Palace, which has had no major renovation works since the Second World War, is also a fantastic British building that needs to be preserved for future generations – and Governments – to reap its benefits.
Let’s look over the facts before we sign any petitions.
http://www.unilad.co.uk/pics/heres-how-much-money-the-queen-has-given-the-government/
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I don't disagree with you at all. I consider myself a political animal, but I find myself avoiding the political stuff on here more and more mainly because it is just so predictable.
But I would think that most people agree that NSC is about more than just sport...... and I do appreciate you are not saying NSC should be just about sport.
BadFish
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True but it's not like people actually read the manifesto before they vote.
Pretty pink fairy
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Hotchilidog
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- Jan 24, 2009
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Yep because the lefties have been crushing the world under their boot heels for the last three decades. What a joke. The nazi's are winning because the right has constantly dominated the agenda recently. People have been f**ked over, but they have mostly been screwed by rich white people running corporations who don't pay their way and politicians who bend over backwards to make life easy for those freeloaders. Still I'm sure it's all the fault of people than actually want life to be better for the general public. Glad this thread has been moved to the other stuff, it's an embarrassment and the apologia for far right bullshit on here makes me sick.
Sorry DR you are not funny anymore.
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