Big Gully is a patronising expert on everything (in his own mind). You really should know that by now.
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[Politics] Brexit
- Thread starter KingstonSeagull
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Big Gully is a patronising expert on everything (in his own mind). You really should know that by now.
East Preston Gull
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The Leave speakers at the debates I attended stated that leaving the EU meant we would no longer have access to the single market.
I really wish more people had attended a few debates and listened to the true faces of both sides. The media whores and pantomime dames for remain and leave have caused all this hullabaloo.
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That made me laugh .........
pastafarian
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leave were very clear, we should leave the single market as we would be able to look for other markets on our own within our own terms,something you cant do as members
remain were very clear,they considered this a bad idea and we should remain in the collective membership of the single market as its better to seek trade as a group not an individual.
you had to be asleep to not know these two positions
explain how its possible to remain members of the single market and still go off on your own and define your own trade agreements,
It's clear that pastafarian is living in some sort of strange world. Here's the Conservative manifesto on the EU referendum "We are clear about what we want from Europe. We say: yes to the Single Market. Yes to turbocharging free trade." Only in pastafarian's world does 'yes' to the single market mean 'no'
Lincoln Imp
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- Feb 2, 2009
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What I can't grasp is your claim that everyone who voted Leave believed and made full allowance for everything the Remain side told them before 23 June. As the Out campaign seemed at times to consist entirely of screaming "Liar!" "Project Fear!" and "I don't believe in experts!" at anything the Remain side said this doesn't seem very likely. (Sorry. Correct that. It's utterly unbelievable.)
pb21
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- Apr 23, 2010
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Leave were very clear, we could leave the single market and we could be able to look for other markets on our own within our own terms.
Just like how we could spend £350 million pounds extra on the NHS if we left the EU.
It seems like they hooked you in.
This article had all the remoaners in its sights.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...ats-will-never-bully-the-british-people-into/
sums up the so called Nottinghill elite.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...ats-will-never-bully-the-british-people-into/
sums up the so called Nottinghill elite.
pastafarian
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why not post the whole of the page that line is taken from to put it into full context.
The page that is all about the party position on what a renegotiated UK and EU will hopefully look like.
The page that says ultimately though these ideals will be decided by the people in a straight in/out referendum
Lincoln Imp
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- Feb 2, 2009
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That's very unfair. Big Gully is nowhere nearly as patronising at Pastafarian.
pastafarian
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and i cant believe on the three issues i mentioned you still insist remainers and leavers didnt know the consequences of their vote
pastafarian
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on the flip side did remain say we might stay in the single market, we might keep free movement. No of course not
all you are doing is trying to portray one side (i wonder which one) as not knowing what they were voting.
i see you didnt answer how is it possible to remain in the single market and also seek trade elsewhere on our own
Lincoln Imp
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- Feb 2, 2009
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I am sure you are right in saying that more people should have attended Leave rallies so they could hear what the speakers said. But the fact is, about 99% didn't. Anyway, according to Patafarian that didn't matter - every person who voted Leave did so after careful consideration of the facts and in the full knowledge that their tick in the box would lead to us exiting the single market in order to reach trading agreements with more dynamic world economies.
Lincoln Imp
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- Feb 2, 2009
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Oh come on. Leave supporter after Leave supporter was on here saying that the EU would be absolutely GAGGING to do single market membership deals with us after we left. Germany and its automakers would be telling every other member what to do. Claims to the contrary were just more examples of Project Fear.
In the week when the ruling party of Walonia has unstitched the EU Canada deal those claims have to go down as yet more misleading nonsense from the Brexit campaign.
pb21
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- Apr 23, 2010
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One side was voting for the status quo, one was voting to leave the status quo. By leaving the status quo, new options would be potentially possible. Many were put forward as suggestions; we could leave the single market, lets give the NHS £350 million per week, we could do that, we may do this, we may do that, we could keep this bit, we might get rid of this bit, ad infinitum .
None of these ideas were concrete though, there was no Brexit manifesto, there still isn't.
In addition the reason I didn't answer your question is because it has absolutely nothing to do with the point I am making!
If pigs could fly, would they fly to Vietnam?
The chap is utterly obsessed with whether or not people answer his questions. I get the feeling he isn't listened to much at home.
Theresa May can't even make a decision on whether or where we should have a third runway. Doesn't bode that well for future major decisions. Shilly shalling around. Is she up to making tough decisions, or does she just like to sound like she's up to them?
Icy Gull
Back on the rollercoaster
- Jul 5, 2003
- 72,015
Hasn't this shilly shallying on Heathrow's third runway being going on for about a decade, harsh to suddenly blame May.
Not really. She's been at the table and privy to all the conversations and evidence for the past circa 6 years. Get on with it. More delays than a Southern service!
beorhthelm
A. Virgo, Football Genius
- Jul 21, 2003
- 35,312
tell you who was very clear about the consequences of voting Leave - the Remain campaign. they made it perfectly clear you cant just vote to leave and expect nothing to change, the benefits of the single market would go. no one can say the public werent informed on the impact of voting to leave.