Still cracks me up that when Farrage (and later, Johnson) suggested that the nations of the EU would crawl over broken glass to sign bespoke deals with a 'free' UK, people believed him. Dear oh dear.
And then they say that leaving the EU was in fact nothing to do with whether we shanked our economy or not if we left. It was all about freedom.
Lovely freedom.
Thanks for your answer and I don't agree
The Leave campaign were never going to stay in the single market in any form. Johnson, Farage and JRM had all made it quite clear what they thought about 'a vassal state' (their words, not mine) and even Theresa May ruled out staying in the single market as part of her initial setting out of Brexit negotiations with her infamous 'red lines'. The simple fact is that the majority didn't vote for staying in the single market and what they voted for is exactly what we have now got
I agree with you completely that given the way we have totally f***ed ourselves over rejoining the single market is the only sensible thing to now do, as a first step towards recovering our economy and, who knows, maybe even getting a little influence in time.
I actually liked it when we were one of the most powerful voices making the rules of the single market and EU fit Britain's requirements, together with that brilliant deal we had with no Schengen, no Euro, all of those vetoes, special deals and extras etc etc that British Politicians of all political persuasions had successfully negotiated over the last 40 years, but I fully accept that Britain having that sort of power and influence has gone forever as a result of what we have done.
For that, ditching the Northern Ireland protocol must be on the agenda.
'Replacing' the protocol, you cannot ditch it as clearly goods cannot move freely between Ireland and the UK and you cannot put a border between Ireland and NI. It's a shame no one mentioned this in 2016 that it might be difficult.
The government's position is a new 'green lane' 'red lane' approach. Sounds much less complicated...
'Replacing' the protocol, you cannot ditch it as clearly goods cannot move freely between Ireland and the UK and you cannot put a border between Ireland and NI. It's a shame no one mentioned this in 2016 that it might be difficult.
The government's position is a new 'green lane' 'red lane' approach. Sounds much less complicated...
Still cracks me up that when Farrage (and later, Johnson) suggested that the nations of the EU would crawl over broken glass to sign bespoke deals with a 'free' UK, people believed him. Dear oh dear.
And then they say that leaving the EU was in fact nothing to do with whether we shanked our economy or not if we left. It was all about freedom.
Lovely freedom.
Oh, the 'Chaos at Dover' thread has ended up in the bearpit
Come on, own up, who said 'Jehovah'
This was political opportunism in the end, with Johnson deciding to put on the Brexit mantle only weeks before the referendum when he decided this would be the winning side.
The origins are with Major's b'stards - Redwood, Cash and others. Figures of fun. But not funny.
Farrage monetized it, ending up with a massive salary as an MEP (oh, how ironic!), and a rolling Brexit wheeze that fed his bully boy ego.
Meanwhile, as you say there are those who saw disruptive change as an opportunity to make money. We know of few of the names, but Sunak was one. Cummins I think was honestly motivated - there are many who saw leaving the EU as a good thing and I don't really blame them, albeit only Cummins and a few others had the energy to do something.
I think that anyone who has personally made money out of Brexit, good luck to them, though. As for the losers, those who voted leave and have lost, tough luck.
The people I feel sorry for are the millions who voted remain and are now ****ed. Hopefully they won't be tempted to vote for anyone claiming to be strong and stable again.
Under Callaghan, we avoided a war with Argentina by managing our fleet and keeping the madman Galtieri back in harbour. Under Blair, leaving the EU became nothing more than the fantasy of loonies. The tories used their near disaster in the Falklands, and the xenophobia that drove National Brexit, in a grotesque spasm of political opportunism. Two times. As a consequence we have had tory governments and most of us are worse off now that we would have been. Could have been. Should have been.
But those who have enriched themselves, well done - good gambling.
Everyone else, cast your vote more carefully next time, eh?
