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If there was a second Brexit referendum how would you vote?


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Lever

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Feb 6, 2019
5,359
I think we can both agree, ( any inforned person would) that the effects of a global pandemic combined with a war in Europe on the economic performance of individual nations has a far greater impact than membership of a trade block (see inflation rates in the eurozone and US). Unfortunately far too many people with an anti Brexit stance seem willing to conflate the consequences of the pandemic and war in Ukraine to score cheap anti Brexit points. Surely there are enough negatives about Brexit to concentrate on without resorting to this?

I think there is a good measure of agreement, the fundamental difference being that for many people who advocated remaining it is not a trivial matter of point scoring.

Remain and Leave voters alike continue to endure the negatives of Brexit. The Leave lobby, perhaps understandably, finds it hard to face up to the truth of it, thereby are constantly being heckled by the rest.
 
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cunning fergus

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Jan 18, 2009
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To suggest food and food products are cheaper in the EU is to support the CAP, a system designed to subsidise wealthy landowners………unwinding this will take time but other countries do not subside their farmers. FACT.

https://www.managementstudyguide.com/europes-controversial-common-agricultural-policy.htm

All the while we were in the EU we were hostage to the whims of the unelected EU cabal, and some food products became more expensive overnight. FACT.

https://www.supplychaindive.com/new...4-billion-aircraft-Boeing-agriculture/588723/

Bonnet du douche Rodney.
 

WATFORD zero

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Jul 10, 2003
25,549
I think we can both agree, ( any inforned person would) that the effects of a global pandemic combined with a war in Europe on the economic performance of individual nations has a far greater impact than membership of a trade block (see inflation rates in the eurozone and US). Unfortunately far too many people with an anti Brexit stance seem willing to conflate the consequences of the pandemic and war in Ukraine to score cheap anti Brexit points. Surely there are enough negatives about Brexit to concentrate on without resorting to this?

I think any 'informed person' would agree that it's far too early to measure the long term impact of the Ukraine war. However, taking Covid and Brexit, the vast majority of 'informed people' (particularly economists) agree that Brexit has had a far greater longer lasting economic impact on Britain than a Global Pandemic.

Brexit ‘largely to blame’ for £31bn loss to UK economy, study finds

Brexit is “largely to blame” for billions being lost in trade and tax revenues in recent years, according to a new study by top economists. The Centre for European Reform (CEF) said that by the end of last year, Britain’s economy was 5.2 per cent – or £31bn – smaller than it would have been without Brexit and the Covid pandemic. “We can’t blame Brexit for all of the 5.2 per cent GDP shortfall … but it’s apparent that Brexit is largely to blame,” said John Springford, author of the CEF study.

“The UK ended Covid restrictions sooner than many of its peers, thanks in part to starting its vaccination campaign early in 2021,” he said. “That should have made its recovery from Covid faster than other countries, not slower.” The report added: “British politicians may find it difficult to ignore the central role of Brexit in the UK’s economic problems for much longer.


https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-cost-uk-economy-eu-b2098289.html

So, on the bright side, if the impact of the Ukarine war is longer lasting and even worse than Brexit and Covid, it will mean that only the second biggest impact on the collapsing British economy was completely self inflicted :shootself
 

WATFORD zero

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Jul 10, 2003
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To suggest food and food products are cheaper in the EU is to support the CAP, a system designed to subsidise wealthy landowners………unwinding this will take time but other countries do not subside their farmers. FACT.

https://www.managementstudyguide.com/europes-controversial-common-agricultural-policy.htm

All the while we were in the EU we were hostage to the whims of the unelected EU cabal, and some food products became more expensive overnight. FACT.

https://www.supplychaindive.com/new...4-billion-aircraft-Boeing-agriculture/588723/

Bonnet du douche Rodney.

The raging inflation, upcoming recession, staff shortages crippling the NHS, the Care Industry, Farming, Food preparation, Logistics and hundreds of other industries, the four fold and rising increase in asylum seekers crossing the channel, having the Johnson Cabal in power, loss of freedom of movement for British people, hundreds of businesses going to the wall, the ever increasing reliance on foodbanks, the unresolvable NIP/Good Friday Agreement issue which means we can never 'Get Brexit Done', the inability to implement JRM's 'act of self harm' import controls in order to 'take back control' etc etc.

All well worth it, so we could send the message that we don't like CAP (something that Britain had significant input to back when we used to have some influence in the world). And taking away British farm subsidies definitely won't make the current economic implosion worse :dunce:
 
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nicko31

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Jan 7, 2010
17,488
Gods country fortnightly
To be fair, most Remainers knew there would be a global pandemic and a war in Europe back in 2016 :wink:

The Johnson's crime syndicate continue to try and hide behind war and pandemics but the numbers don't lie

GDP growth for UK 2015 - 22 is 10%, France 18%, Netherlands 28%.

Next year only Russia in the G20 will have lower growth than the UK

Anyone fancy a trade war with our biggest trade partner?
 


cunning fergus

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Jan 18, 2009
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The Johnson's crime syndicate continue to try and hide behind war and pandemics but the numbers don't lie

GDP growth for UK 2015 - 22 is 10%, France 18%, Netherlands 28%.

Next year only Russia in the G20 will have lower growth than the UK

Anyone fancy a trade war with our biggest trade partner?


And yet……

https://www.cityam.com/boost-for-gl...-challenges-and-hit-highest-level-ever/?amp=1

More reliant on the Monkey Islanders than ever………delicious isn’t it?
 

nicko31

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Jan 7, 2010
17,488
Gods country fortnightly

cunning fergus

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Jan 18, 2009
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LNG reloading, blimey is that all you've got

Because of Brexit dare I ask?



What you talking about Willis?

There’s plenty of good news, the unelected EU is already running hard to get a couple of impoverished and corrupt soaked countries into its fold……one of which is in a war with Russia!!

https://www.politico.eu/article/european-commission-backs-eu-candidate-status-for-ukraine-moldova/

Where next will the enlarged EU look to expand?

In the meantime the ECB ended its technically illegal bond buying of countries in debt only to start it back up again.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/busi...147e14-eb9f-11ec-9f90-79df1fb28296_story.html

Looks like perfect EU policy, continue to print money whilst incorporating 2 economic basket cases into the club.

I know…….let’s re-join?
 


Lever

Well-known member
Feb 6, 2019
5,359
In the 2016 Brexit referendum and then in the 2019 general election, Johnson offered voters the chance to “take back control” of their destiny, to rebalance the country and to pull it together again. On both occasions, he won.

Six years on, however, we can safely say his project is failing
. His government is busy trying to wrest back more control rather than exercising what it has regained. It has not united the country. It has not even begun to level it up.

The truth is, this government won’t accomplish any of that. Until Britain stops trying to restore a vanished past—whether the one imagined by its pro-Brexit Leavers or its anti-Brexit Remainers—and begins to construct a viable future, the country as a whole never will.



https://www.theatlantic.com/interna...-brexit-economic-impact-boris-johnson/661332/
 


nicko31

Well-known member
Jan 7, 2010
17,488
Gods country fortnightly

nicko31

Well-known member
Jan 7, 2010
17,488
Gods country fortnightly
How much longer are we going to bury out heads in the sand? We're a nation in denial, now the true consequences unravel.

The deafening silence over Brexit’s economic fallout

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nicko31

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Jan 7, 2010
17,488
Gods country fortnightly
Not an opinion, its just counting....

BREXIT TO BLAME FOR AIRLINE STAFF SHORTAGES, SAYS EASYJET BOSS

https://www.independent.co.uk/trave...-flight-cancelled-easyjet-staff-b2104884.html

Johan Lundgren, chief executive of easyJet, said 8,000 job applications from European Union citizens have been rejected by his firm because candidates did not have permission to work in the UK.

Last week the aviation minister, Robert Courts, told MPs on the business select committee it was “not likely” that leaving the EU played a part in the chronic staff shortages afflicting aviation.

Mr Lundgren told The Independent: “The pool of people is smaller, it’s just maths.

“We have had to turn down a huge number of EU nationals because of Brexit. Pre-pandemic we would have turned down 2-2.5 per cent because of nationality issues,” Mr Lundgren said. “Now it’s 35-40 per cent.”
 

vegster

Sanity Clause
May 5, 2008
27,853
Not an opinion, its just counting....

BREXIT TO BLAME FOR AIRLINE STAFF SHORTAGES, SAYS EASYJET BOSS

https://www.independent.co.uk/trave...-flight-cancelled-easyjet-staff-b2104884.html

Johan Lundgren, chief executive of easyJet, said 8,000 job applications from European Union citizens have been rejected by his firm because candidates did not have permission to work in the UK.

Last week the aviation minister, Robert Courts, told MPs on the business select committee it was “not likely” that leaving the EU played a part in the chronic staff shortages afflicting aviation.

Mr Lundgren told The Independent: “The pool of people is smaller, it’s just maths.

“We have had to turn down a huge number of EU nationals because of Brexit. Pre-pandemic we would have turned down 2-2.5 per cent because of nationality issues,” Mr Lundgren said. “Now it’s 35-40 per cent.”

Was mentioned today that the likes of British Airways are sub-contracting to European operated planes in order to circumvent " The Benefits of Brexit " ... and, Micheal O'Leary reckons that all we need to do to solve a lot of our current predicted crisis would be to relax the rules for European workers..... but hey, Blue Passports...
 

nicko31

Well-known member
Jan 7, 2010
17,488
Gods country fortnightly
Interesting stat...

May 2008, oil USD150 / barrel, GBP=1.98USD, Diesel £1.20 / litre

Today, oil USD115 / barrel, GBP=1.22USD, Diesel £1.97 / litre

Gotta love Brexit and what the Vote Leave government have done to us
 

Dick Swiveller

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Sep 9, 2011
9,137
Thank the stars that Rees-Mogg and Brexit saved us from the scourge that is USB-C for all.

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Herr Tubthumper

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Jul 11, 2003
59,071
The Fatherland
Thank the stars that Rees-Mogg and Brexit saved us from the scourge that is USB-C for all.

[TWEET]1539594281073221633[/TWEET]

As if you’d take any advice about tech from ****.
 

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