[Politics] Brexit

shingle · Dec 24, 2020

vagabond said:
And 7. We’ll rejoin Europe in 20 years once the younger generation are in power.

and in 20 years..... you'll be an angry old fart voting Tory and saying leaving the EU was a blessing in disguise and that you didn't realise this at the time.

BTW Nigel Farage didn't agree with the bus slogan re £350 million quid for the NHS, that was vote leaves doing.

Hampster Gull · Dec 24, 2020

Randy McNob said:
1st January will be a momentus day, for it will be the first step on the road to rejoining with our European friends and correcting this epic mistake

Indeed. It will be a long journey but its inevitable that we will rejoin at some point

sparkie · Dec 24, 2020

We've avoided the disasterous no deal and I am ruddy happy about that.

This deal is a small stepping stone on the path to better things.

There are areas the EU regret we haven't covered - eg defence - and we still want that financial services agreement. Plenty to build on - no doubt further away from the spotlight - for this and future Governments.

So, well done Boris for facing down the 'no deal loons'.

Re-joining EFTA would be a quick win as we can then pick and choose from their list of already done deals ( most of which piggyback on the same terms as EU trade deals ). No downside at all.

And also now let's work on that deal with Biden next year.

Lincoln Imp · Dec 24, 2020

GT49er said:
Yes (though I can think of a few currently detained at Her Majesty's pleasure that I would be very tempted to make an exception for!)
!

So you are in favour of the ancient principle that parliamentarians should act according to their considered judgment as to what is in the interests of the nation and its people, irrespective of what the people appeared to be clamouring for?

(Clearly, if those parliamentarians had been formally elected to Westminster on the basis that they DID support a particular view and then reneged on their commitment once voted in, different considerations might apply.)

vagabond · Dec 24, 2020

This is me said:
Incredible & Emotional Day - Thank you Boris. I hope you get your own column like Nelson & in years to come subsequent generations will look up to you with a tear in their eyes - having given us back our pride, identity & independence.

The nation will be ever so thankful - I hope the Queen bestows the highest possible honour to you.

Arise Sir Johnson.

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Randy McNob · Dec 24, 2020

This is me said:
Wonderful news this evening. We have our pride, we have our independence back, we have control - whilst there is time remoaners you can still buy a one way ticket under the tunnel. A momentous day today

What are you looking forward to mostly with these new freedoms?

*Gullsworth* · Dec 24, 2020

A deal has been done.

Perhaps we should leave it at that for now.

I think this government will eat itself from the centre outwards!

nicko31 · Dec 24, 2020

Well a deal is better than no deal. Its good news, less Brexit victims and agriculture and manufacturing is retained

But its a million miles from what Vote Leave promised in 2016 (example below)

First, Johnson capitulated to the EU on Ireland on the WA creating a with a customs border in the Irish sea. Now a further climb down on the level playing field plus a small win on fish in a few years

Overall its a great deal for the EU 27 with the preservation of the Single Market and tariff and quota free access on goods to the UK where they have a huge surplus.

The bit where the UK has a EU trade surplus on services it all looks pretty thin.

New deals with ROW, well its just continuity Lizz so far with nothing new or advantageous

Lots of the usual BS from Johnson about sovreignty today, but when the tides goes out this won't pay for the NHS, Education, Pensions and Defence.

On top of this 6 months to save the Union of the UK.

wellquickwoody · Dec 24, 2020

Plooks said:
**** off Boris and **** off brexit. The sooner we can rejoin the better.

Bleat

Si Gull · Dec 24, 2020

This is me said:
Incredible & Emotional Day - Thank you Boris. I hope you get your own column like Nelson & in years to come subsequent generations will look up to you with a tear in their eyes - having given us back our pride, identity & independence.

The nation will be ever so thankful - I hope the Queen bestows the highest possible honour to you.

Arise Sir Johnson.

You've just gotta love these spoof accounts!

sparkie · Dec 24, 2020

*Gullsworth* said:
A deal has been done.

Perhaps we should leave it at that for now.

I think this government will eat itself from the centre outwards!

Consider this :

Perhaps Johnson will ditch the Fixed Term Parliament Act ( as already mooted ) and go for an election in May riding on the crests of the EU deal and mass vaccination waves ?

Not something I'd like as I want rid of him, but he'd have a pretty good chance in those circumstances.

studio150 · Dec 24, 2020

Not as bad as could have been, but the country is still poorer.

nicko31 · Dec 24, 2020

So in the end Johnson gave away our fish for the next 5 years and then gave away 75% after that.

rogersix · Dec 24, 2020

sparkie said:
Consider this :

Perhaps Johnson will ditch the Fixed Term Parliament Act ( as already mooted ) and go for an election in May riding on the crests of the EU deal and mass vaccination waves ?

Not something I'd like as I want rid of him, but he'd have a pretty good chance in those circumstances.

does he want to win another election?

DumLum · Dec 24, 2020

sparkie said:
Consider this :

Perhaps Johnson will ditch the Fixed Term Parliament Act ( as already mooted ) and go for an election in May riding on the crests of the EU deal and mass vaccination waves ?

Not something I'd like as I want rid of him, but he'd have a pretty good chance in those circumstances.

I think that BJ doing that is as likely as Turkey's voting for Christmas. He still has a long time left as pm with a huge majority and that would be a huge risk. Even if he won it would be closer than last time out.

*Gullsworth* · Dec 24, 2020

sparkie said:
Consider this :

Perhaps Johnson will ditch the Fixed Term Parliament Act and go for an election in May riding on the crests of the EU deal and mass vaccination waves ?

Not something I'd like as I want rid of him, but he'd have a pretty good chance in those circumstances.

I wonder if after scrutiny and the detail has become public the far right of The Conservative party will be rueing the day a deal was done and a no deal was not the final outcome.
Starmer has already endorsed the deal stating that the deal was better than a no- deal but the opposition will not fail to question the shortcomings that will inevitably arise. In my opinion there are factions in the Tory party who will not agree with the majority of the deal and find it hard to back Johnson to vote it through Parliament. The opposition in their own party may be small in numbers but will be very vocal and carry a lot of weight. It probably will not result in a split but some heavyweights may lose their place at the political table.

Jolly Red Giant · Dec 24, 2020

It is one of the worst sticking plaster deals in political history over the past 100 years

sparkie · Dec 24, 2020

This is me said:
Incredible & Emotional Day - Thank you Boris. I hope you get your own column like Nelson & in years to come subsequent generations will look up to you with a tear in their eyes - having given us back our pride, identity & independence.

The nation will be ever so thankful - I hope the Queen bestows the highest possible honour to you.

Arise Sir Johnson.

Depends if the Queen is still smarting about him lying to her about the reasons for paroguing Parliament.

sparkie · Dec 24, 2020

Plooks said:
**** off Boris and **** off brexit. The sooner we can rejoin the better.

There is a smarter path ahead, Plooksie.

Re-join EFTA and have our pick of their trade deals, negotiate other trade deals that we want, get the EU financial services agreement, sort out the Erasmus issue and working visas for under 25s etc. Plenty of add ons can be done.

No need to take the euro and be at the mercy of the Walloon local councils in future trade deals.

sparkie · Dec 24, 2020

Harry Wilson's tackle said:
Why would Asia (or indeed. 'the world', if you like) rather seek out a small nation to offer sweetheart deals than bargian with the united and massive 27? What do we have to offer that the EU market doesn't? What does the world want to sell preferentially to the UK, and buy preferentially from the UK (preferentially versus the EU)? And do you really think the world want to sell to us more cheaply and buy more expensively than its trade with the EU?

As a smaller trading block our hand is weaker surely?

Happy to learn how I'm wrong [emoji106]

Join EFTA.

They have a load of trade deals which we could take from day 1. And the best bit is we can pick off the deals menu and do our own deals where we want. And the EFTA deals are pretty much based on the EU deals.

Win win win.

Oh I forgot, one ( very loud ) Norwegian politician ( who appears to speak for the whole of EFTA ) doesn't want us to join. :facepalm:

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