Indeed but we are the only one that speaks the same language and therefore the natural choice
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[Politics] Brexit
- Thread starter KingstonSeagull
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Indeed but we are the only one that speaks the same language and therefore the natural choice
JC Footy Genius
Bringer of TRUTH
- Jun 9, 2015
- 10,568
Labour’s Brexit policy is simply dishonest
Spot on analysis of Labour's joke of a Brexit policy in the Times yesterday ..
Labour is proposing to negotiate a new deal with the European Union. This deal would involve us adhering closely to the rules of the single market and being a member of the customs union. Labour would then put this to voters in a referendum, with the alternative being Remain.
When pressed on how they might vote in this referendum, it’s party policy not to give an answer. And hardly surprising because if they did answer it would reveal how pointless and hollow the choice really is.
Who on earth would choose this new deal? The Electoral Commission is charged by law with ensuring that any referendum question is framed in a way that makes it clear what is being asked. May I suggest to them that Labour’s referendum might be phrased like this:
“The government has decided that Britain is going to follow the rules and trade policy of the European Union. Would you prefer to do this with a vote on the EU’s policies or without one?”
Labour always bridles at the term second referendum and you know what, they’re right. This isn’t really a second referendum at all. It’s just a more faffy, dithery and deceitful form of the Liberal Democrat revoke policy.
They say they are going to negotiate the “best deal” and then put it to the people, but it’s only the “best deal” in the eyes of Remainers. And the rest of us wouldn’t vote for it anyway because it is so obviously not as good as remaining. Leavers will have been treated with contempt, their opinion sought but then discarded.
Sir Keir justifies going back to the voters because we need, he says, to “break the impasse” in parliament. He manages to sound puzzled about this “impasse” and frustrated by it. Which is amusing because he was the impasse. The impasse wasn’t some weird, abstract, invisible thing that kept getting in the way of his good intentions. The impasse was him insisting on his “best deal” even though he didn’t actually want this so-called “best deal” himself because in truth he wants to remain a member of the EU.
In other words, the policy isn’t incomprehensible, it’s just deceitful.
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/comment/labours-brexit-policy-is-simply-dishonest-69q6fvzc6
Spot on analysis of Labour's joke of a Brexit policy in the Times yesterday ..
Labour is proposing to negotiate a new deal with the European Union. This deal would involve us adhering closely to the rules of the single market and being a member of the customs union. Labour would then put this to voters in a referendum, with the alternative being Remain.
When pressed on how they might vote in this referendum, it’s party policy not to give an answer. And hardly surprising because if they did answer it would reveal how pointless and hollow the choice really is.
Who on earth would choose this new deal? The Electoral Commission is charged by law with ensuring that any referendum question is framed in a way that makes it clear what is being asked. May I suggest to them that Labour’s referendum might be phrased like this:
“The government has decided that Britain is going to follow the rules and trade policy of the European Union. Would you prefer to do this with a vote on the EU’s policies or without one?”
Labour always bridles at the term second referendum and you know what, they’re right. This isn’t really a second referendum at all. It’s just a more faffy, dithery and deceitful form of the Liberal Democrat revoke policy.
They say they are going to negotiate the “best deal” and then put it to the people, but it’s only the “best deal” in the eyes of Remainers. And the rest of us wouldn’t vote for it anyway because it is so obviously not as good as remaining. Leavers will have been treated with contempt, their opinion sought but then discarded.
Sir Keir justifies going back to the voters because we need, he says, to “break the impasse” in parliament. He manages to sound puzzled about this “impasse” and frustrated by it. Which is amusing because he was the impasse. The impasse wasn’t some weird, abstract, invisible thing that kept getting in the way of his good intentions. The impasse was him insisting on his “best deal” even though he didn’t actually want this so-called “best deal” himself because in truth he wants to remain a member of the EU.
In other words, the policy isn’t incomprehensible, it’s just deceitful.
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/comment/labours-brexit-policy-is-simply-dishonest-69q6fvzc6
To be honest given the other option, I'll take that.
Rodney Thomas
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I fear you're becoming a little obsessed..
Blue Valkyrie
Not seen such Bravery!
The Times analysis is deceitful as well. It also makes assumptions.
The obvious deceit is that if Labour opt for EFTA membership then the EEA access would be through the EFTA pillar - ie genuine consent at the rule formulation stage - very far from 'without a vote' - rather than being at the mercy of Qualified Majority Voting after the rule is drafted.
The assumption is that the customs union would be as now. No EFTA state is currently within the EU Customs Union. We'd need to see what was proposed.
Lazy, inaccurate and closed minded journalism. The Times should do better.
nicko31
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Tesla select Berlin for its European car factory
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-50400068
Oh well, what could have been. Jobs going down at Asda,...
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-50400068
Oh well, what could have been. Jobs going down at Asda,...
It's also a bit disingenuous to say it's The Times. It's by Conservative peer Danny Finkelstein (former political adviser to the party - the Dominic Cummings of his day). He's scarcely going to give an objective view of the situation.
beorhthelm
A. Virgo, Football Genius
- Jul 21, 2003
- 35,313
language is not much barrier these days, the natural choice would be Portugal as they like to run the plants on solar.
nicko31
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Farage spending a fortune on google ad words
https://www.google.com/search?safe=...hUKEwj-o82yxOflAhVSeMAKHR-wBM8Q4dUDCAs&uact=5
Its a good read for everyone who really wants a 2nd referendum...
https://www.google.com/search?safe=...hUKEwj-o82yxOflAhVSeMAKHR-wBM8Q4dUDCAs&uact=5
Its a good read for everyone who really wants a 2nd referendum...
You know what, I probably would. My first choice has always been remain and reform, but it isn't going to work. We keep sending bone idle halfwits over to not represent us and the long term damage is done. Regulatory alignment is a great idea.
Much better for the economy than leaving, will cost us a small fortune, rather than the large one the no dealers favour and shades in between.
Great opportunity to tackle the Corporate and personal tax dodgers.
Provides better levels of consumer and work force protections, than the alternative.
Keeps our health service out of US hands.
You keep trying to push everything back to a binary choice, it isn't unless you are a fanatic.
- Jul 10, 2003
- 25,870
nicko31
Well-known member
Would shoot Nicola Sturgeons Indy fox as well and save the Union. A more pragmatic Brexit most of the country (but all not) would accept and move on from....
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Just read this on the BBC comments
According to the independent National Institute of Economic & Social Research
After rebates we currently pay the EU £7 billion PA
If we leave with Boris's deal our economy will shrink by 3.5% (£70 billion PA)
If we leave with no deal our economy will shrink by 5.6% (over £100 billion PA)
Brexit means huge funding cuts for our police, schools & NHS
It WONT lower immigration but we will have blue passports
According to the independent National Institute of Economic & Social Research
After rebates we currently pay the EU £7 billion PA
If we leave with Boris's deal our economy will shrink by 3.5% (£70 billion PA)
If we leave with no deal our economy will shrink by 5.6% (over £100 billion PA)
Brexit means huge funding cuts for our police, schools & NHS
It WONT lower immigration but we will have blue passports
nicko31
Well-known member
Apparently the UK computer game industry brings ten times more income into the states coffers that the UK fishing industry
beorhthelm
A. Virgo, Football Genius
- Jul 21, 2003
- 35,313
while not supporting leaving, i do need to point out thats wrong. its 3.5% lower growth over 10 years. thats less richer, not shrinking.
(because im triggered by this stuff)
Pretty pink fairy
Banned
- Jan 30, 2008
- 31,981
Yes, a clear Document of identity what's not to like ,we're not European first we're British always have always will .
Regards
DF
Lincoln Imp
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- Feb 2, 2009
- 5,964
In fairness to The Times the article was a personal opinion piece by a Tory peer.
(Sorry, just seen this already covered.)
Lincoln Imp
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- Feb 2, 2009
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Rapier wit as always.