[Politics] Brexit

WATFORD zero · Oct 29, 2019

pastafarian said:
Wow, you take a post all the way in July

I can appreciate that when you don't know whether you want a deal or no deal, you have to change position so regularly that holding a view for 12 weeks must be nigh on impossible.

Still, at least I'm sure you wouldn't claim that nobody has changed their view in 3.5 years :facepalm:

Westdene Seagull · Oct 29, 2019

nicko31 said:
Looks like an election, bizarre decision for Tories to go for this with the BP still hanging around like a bad smell......

What's more bizarre is Corbyn being such a coward. "I want an election. I want a election. Oh OK, only after we've got past the 31st Oct. I want an election. I want election. Oh, OK, only after no deal has been taken off the table. I want an election. I want an election. Oh ………. maybe not."

Baldseagull · Oct 29, 2019

pastafarian said:
You can believe what you want, didn’t have you down as the gullible type like watford and clampy

I want to believe it was a joke, because if not it would make you a rather sad, possibly sick person. However, I can't ignore the evidence of that type of joke not being at all within the character you have on this thread. Plus, there clearly is something a bit wrong with you, the soy boy comments and referring to people as cucks shows that you spend too much time on alt right sites and videos, a porn addicted "incel" would seem to be a likely reality for you, based on the evidence, not what I want to believe.

WATFORD zero · Oct 29, 2019

Westdene Seagull said:
As is probably obvious, I usually ignore your posts and repetitive, boring questions but I think I'll humour you on this occasion.

It is indeed a dilemma for me who to vote for in December ( and it will be then the GE is held - don't even need Meg for that prediction ).

Lib Dem - well never never. I couldn't dirty my pencil to vote for a party that tried to destroy the Albion.

Then it becomes a tad more difficult. Do I vote Tory in the belief Johnson will actually deliver ? Or do I vote Brexit Party to keep the pressure up ? Or indeed, like last GE, do I put my Brexit sympathies to one side and vote for Peter Kyle because he's a great MP for the area ? Despite thinking Corbyn would be a disaster as PM.

Difficult one …… but a choice I'd actually appreciate being allowed to make if Parliament actually had the guts to offer it to me.

That's very good of you to humour me on this occasion, and I appreciate that for you choosing could be awkward, but I don't think you actually answered my question about who would deliver your 'good deal' ?

A vote for the Brexit party wouldn't deliver the 'good deal' that would meet your previously stated red lines as they want 'no deal'.
And Johnson's deal leaves part of Britain under EU regulatory alignment, before any amendments, again breaking those red lines.
And Labour want Customs Union and a second referendum.

And so, far be it from me to repeat a question :wink:

but

Which one will you be backing to deliver your 'good deal' that meets all the red lines you quoted ?

Harry Wilson's tackle · Oct 29, 2019

nicko31 said:
Looks like an election, bizarre decision for Tories to go for this with the BP still hanging around like a bad smell......

It was reported a few weeks ago they have calculated the damage the BP will do to the tories will be slightly less than the damage it will do to labour. Northern erstwhile labour but strong Brexit towns are likely to vote sufficiently for Nigel to allow the tories to take labour seats.

Let us not forget, Boris jumped on the Brexit bus because he figured it was the best option for him to become leader and win a GE. All the while labour have Corbyn and momentum running the show they will struggle. At least people liked Michael Foot and didn't consider him to be an IRA sympathizer and anti-Semite (the tropes that won't go away, no matter how unfair).

I don't think Boris needs to do much to absolutely walk a GE. Hopefully I am wrong and there will be a late labour bounce like last time (when, as their spokespeople often say, 'and people said we would lose the last election' - but this time people actually would be wrong). But I can't see it happen.

Team Boris may be the political equivalent of the Slytherin quiddich team, but they certainly know how to strategise a GE win, in my view.

Westdene Seagull · Oct 29, 2019

WATFORD zero said:
That's very good of you to humour me, and I appreciate choosing could be awkward, but I don't think you actually answered my question about who would deliver your 'good deal' ?

A vote for the Brexit party wouldn't deliver the 'good deal' that would meet your previously stated red lines as they want 'no deal'.
And Johnson's deal leaves part of Britain under EU regulatory alignment, before any amendments, again breaking those red lines.

And so, far be it from me to repeat a question but

Which one will you be backing to deliver your 'good deal' that meets all the red lines you quoted ?

Yawn …… almost ignore. But feel free to show me what 'red lines' I've stated.

Westdene Seagull · Oct 29, 2019

Harry Wilson's tackle said:
At least people liked Michael Foot

I think you might be pushing it a tad there. I met him when he came to a match at Withdean and he was a rude tetchy bloke. Only superseded by Ivor 'Do you know who I am' Caplin.

Harry Wilson's tackle · Oct 29, 2019

Baldseagull said:
I want to believe it was a joke, because if not it would make you a rather sad, possibly sick person. However, I can't ignore the evidence of that type of joke not being at all within the character you have on this thread. Plus, there clearly is something a bit wrong with you, the soy boy comments and referring to people as cucks shows that you spend too much time on alt right sites and videos, a porn addicted "incel" would seem to be a likely reality for you, based on the evidence, not what I want to believe.

Time to infuriate my gammon detractors again.

*cough* this is another goon I have on ignore *cough*

Harry Wilson's tackle · Oct 29, 2019

Westdene Seagull said:
I think you might be pushing it a tad there. I met him when he came to a match at Withdean and he was a rude tetchy bloke. Only superseded by Ivor 'Do you know who I am' Caplin.

I was making an unfavourable point about Corbyn, not canvassing on behalf of the late Michael Foot.

It is inference like that that typifies how otherwise nice sensible people fall for Brexit, I suspect :wink:

WATFORD zero · Oct 29, 2019

Westdene Seagull said:
Yawn …… almost ignore. But feel free to show me what 'red lines' I've stated.

Now, despite what JCFG thinks, I don't spend all my time trawling through thousands of posts, and I'm off out in a minute :wave:

Westdene Seagull said:
A deal that neither means different rules apply to different parts of the UK nor ties us into something we need EU permission to get out of.

So here's just the one :wink:

Harry Wilson's tackle · Oct 29, 2019

Mental Lental said:
I can see a GE leading to a 4 way split of even(ish) voting spread out over the 4 parties if they stick to a clear Brexit position....No deal (Brexit Party), current deal (Tory), 2nd ref (Labour), revoke A20 (Lib dem). Whichever way it goes it looks to me like another round of chaos with another hung parliament.

Yeah I think I'd rather just leave him squirming and force him to preside over a his deal vs remain referendum. Now that leavers know what they are voting for and the fact that the new ref will be a full 4 years after the last one. It's time to check with the people again.

I do hope you're right.....sadly (as I just posted elsewhere) I can't see how Boris can possibly not come out with a big majority.

It isn't as if there is going to be a surprise and stunning revelation about him that shows him up to be a low-grade racist snobby skirt-chasing lump of serial lying gammon lard, is there? We all know all that already, and a large proportion of the electorate are quite happy and just think he's a character. :shrug:

Westdene Seagull · Oct 29, 2019

WATFORD zero said:
Now, despite what JCFG thinks, I don't spend all my time trawling through thousands of posts, and I'm off out in a minute

So here's just the one

OK, more than happy to accept that quote - well searched. Personally, now, more than happy to throw NI 'under the bus' as some say - they voted remain and they have always been happy with different laws to the rest of the UK anyway. Yet now they moan about having different 'laws'. As for the second part - Johnson's deal covers that.

WATFORD zero · Oct 29, 2019

Westdene Seagull said:
OK, more than happy to accept that quote - well searched. Personally, now, more than happy to throw NI 'under the bus' as some say - they voted remain and they have always been happy with different laws to the rest of the UK anyway. Yet now they moan about having different 'laws'. As for the second part - Johnson's deal covers that.

So you are changing what you want from your 'good deal' as we go along to match what Johnson says. I can see now why you could never explain what it was when I asked before :wink:

daveinplzen · Oct 29, 2019

Westdene Seagull said:
Yawn …… almost ignore. But feel free to show me what 'red lines' I've stated.

So, what 'deal' would you like this week?

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Lever · Oct 29, 2019

Westdene Seagull said:
I think you might be pushing it a tad there. I met him when he came to a match at Withdean and he was a rude tetchy bloke. Only superseded by Ivor 'Do you know who I am' Caplin.

Shame you feel that way.
I am sure Ivor Caplin was impressed by your humility.....

Lever · Oct 29, 2019

Mouldy Boots said:
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Your contributions are becoming even more facile and pointless; I thought that was scarcely possible - but you've managed it.

Westdene Seagull · Oct 29, 2019

Lever said:
Shame you feel that way.
I am sure Ivor Caplin was impressed by your humility.....

He was asked to show his ticket and that was his response ….. don't act like a **** and you won't be called out as a ****.

daveinplzen · Oct 29, 2019

Mouldy Boots said:
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You voted for total parliamentary control of the country, many Brexiteers screamed for it. Why did you do that when you consider them to be corrupt?
Seems a little bit stupid

CHAPPERS · Oct 29, 2019

I'm so confused as to why people are happy for Boris to pull a budget AND his withdrawal bill which has now passed. Could it be that ANY scrutiny over either will show this government up to be a failure?

He also refused to attend the liaison committee AGAIN because he clearly isn't happy being questioned.

And people wonder why Corbyn might not trust him.

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