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[Politics] Brexit
- Thread starter KingstonSeagull
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beorhthelm
A. Virgo, Football Genius
- Jul 21, 2003
- 35,332
this is one view https://www.electoralcalculus.co.uk/homepage.html
i cant see Johnson being able to hold out for long though, as there needs to be a Budget and a Finance Bill at some point. so this is mainly to make Labour look bad before giving way.
Bob!
Coffee Buyer
- Jul 5, 2003
- 11,154
Or to choose a date in February, meaning 'no deal' will have happened before the election.
vegster
Sanity Clause
- May 5, 2008
- 27,908
Poor old Sajid gets the shit end of the stick again and has to cover for Boris.
Rodney Thomas
Well-known member
I am not sure it is quite as simple as those tweets or your conclusions allude to:
Again, I'd be happy with a Norway deal but many, many leavers of all shapes and sizes would find serious fault with a Swiss approach. This is certainly NOT the golden consensuses you keep making it out to be.
The Tory Party brought in the fixed term Parliaments act, presumably because they thought it good for them. Why would the opposition agree to an election when it isn't in their interests to have one.
- Jul 10, 2003
- 25,950
I'm afraid there is nothing in the Norway deal for services, which as I pointed out earlier is 78% of Britain's GDP.
There really is only one way of getting a 'good deal' for Britain and that is to negotiate a bespoke one for Britain's Economy, GDP splits, historical and political implications etc etc. The deals that Canada, Norway and Switzerland have negotiated, over years, have been ones suited to them and their situations.
Maybe we need a bespoke deal a bit like the one that British Politicians of all political hues have spent the last 40 years negotiating
Told you before there will be a GE, NOT another referendum with rigged 'stay stay' choices. Yes it will be a 'Brexit' GE. Stupid to think otherwise.
This is the sort of leaver rhetoric remainers are up against (copied and pasted from FB):
“A rough guide to why Brexit delays are all Corbyn's fault, and also why Brexit is all Corbyn's fault.
2007 LibDems call for EU Referendum
(first of the 3 main parties to do so - source Factcheck)
2010 LibDems back up Tories in coalition
2011 Coalition govt introduces and forces through the Fixed Term Parliaments Act.
2015 Tories win a majority promising a referendum. Parliament votes in favour of a referendum. Corbyn votes against.
2015 Corbyn is elected Labour leader
2016 The UK referendum occurs. Corbyn is criticised for not being fervent enough in his worship of the EU.
(It is clear that the best way to win over eurosceptics is NOT to say "I agree that there are some problems with the EU but, on the whole, they are dwarfed by the problems inherent in extricating ourselves from a 40 year involvement, right in the middle of an economic slump" but rather to take the line of "you're a racist and quite stupid if you don't adore the EU".)
Remain loses.
Cameron resigns, May is put in place.
Corbyn pitches for a soft Brexit deal.
2016 - 2017 - no effort is made by the government to reach parliamentary compromise over a form of Brexit. May begins announcing Red Lines and swearing she will not call a snap election.
2017 May calls a snap election, promising to consign Corbyn to the dustbin of history.
May loses her majority.
Corbyn increases Labour's vote share on a pledge to negotiate a soft Brexit.
2017 - 2018 No effort is made to reach parliamentary compromise over a form of Brexit.
May negotiates a WA without consulting her own Cabinet or MPs.
2018 Parliament rejects May's WA. EU extends from March to October.
2019 May gets toppled.
The Tories indulge in a 6 week leadership election. Johnson wins on a platform of "I will deliver Brexit. I will not call an election."
MPs introduce the Benn Act to prevent No Deal.
Johnson sacks 21 Tory MPs, reducing his majority to -42
Johnson tries to call an election.
The Fixed Term Parliament Act (see previous Tory/LibDem cock-up) means his attempt fails.
Johnson attempts to prorogue parliament for 5 weeks.
This is deemed unlawful but wastes a week.
Johnson brings his deal to parliament, wins a third reading, but cannot win the programme motion to rush the bill through in 2 days, losing by 14 votes.
Rather than try and win through, Johnson pauses all progress of the bill with 10 days to Brexigeddon.
See, it's obvious. If only Labour had a different leader, none of this would be happening...”
I notice you missed that Corbyn called for Article 50 to be triggered the day after the referendum result.
KZNSeagull
Well-known member
EU say there will be an extension, they just cannot agree for how long. Decision delayed until Monday.
Great news. No need to worry about crash out Brexit next Thursday then.
Tom Hark Preston Park
Will Post For Cash
- Jul 6, 2003
- 70,382
This, from today's BBC news online, just about sums up the whole wretched mess IMHO:
'Marie Lebec, a member of the French National Assembly representing President Emmanuel Macron's En Marche party, said France would only agree to a delay if it was sure it was not an "extension for nothing".
"What we need from the UK is really to know what they want," she told the Today programme'
Same as it ever was throughout this painfully protracted prosess, Parliament remains resolutely unclear on what it wants. It only ever knows what it doesn't want. An object lesson in negativity. Rip it up and start again. General Election can't come soon enough.
'Marie Lebec, a member of the French National Assembly representing President Emmanuel Macron's En Marche party, said France would only agree to a delay if it was sure it was not an "extension for nothing".
"What we need from the UK is really to know what they want," she told the Today programme'
Same as it ever was throughout this painfully protracted prosess, Parliament remains resolutely unclear on what it wants. It only ever knows what it doesn't want. An object lesson in negativity. Rip it up and start again. General Election can't come soon enough.
KZNSeagull
Well-known member
Which will be fun as BJ has the worst ratings for a PM in their first 3 months and JC has the worst ratings for an opposition leader ever.
- Jul 10, 2003
- 25,950
Tom Hark Preston Park
Will Post For Cash
- Jul 6, 2003
- 70,382
And don't forget the dopey Lib Dems with their keynote 'Lets Just Cancel The Whole Brexit Thing' keynote policy.
Maybe The Seagulls Party should reform and SWOOP into this godawful power vacuum
Thunder Bolt
Silly old bat
One of the French ministers (I can't recall her name) got a new cat which she called Brexit. She opens the door but the cat can't decided whether to go out or come in.
(cat owners will be familiar with this behaviour)
Imo, a general election will result in a hung parliament which will result in more procrastination and delays.
Parliament as a whole would have passed through a soft Brexit ages ago. And probably would do so now, if Johnson allowed it to actually debate the bill.