[Politics] Brexit

Is it PotG? · Oct 24, 2019

A1X said:
In a previous Parliament. No Parliament can bind it's successors, so that vote is no longer relevant.

Have you taken legal advice on how to challenge this in the Courts?

Seems to be the done thing 'de nos jours'.

A1X · Oct 24, 2019

Blue Valkyrie said:
So we actually enact the democratic decision to be part of the tradezone between Iceland and the Russian border ?

Good, Johnson can commit that to UK Law as an amendment to his withdrawal bill.

An EFTA Brexit would be a compromise most Remainers could happily live with, so it seems for all the talk by some of Remainers not compromising we've found the compromise solution. Come on Brexiters, why aren't you coming on board with this? This is Brexit so does what you want, no?

Thunder Bolt · Oct 24, 2019

Razzoo said:
I agree but the die has been cast now. We must leave. That is not the fault of 17.4 Million people.

Must means mandatory. The referendum wasn't mandatory.
Legally it hasn't got a leg to stand on, which is why the right wing press branded judges enemies of the people.

A1X · Oct 24, 2019

Is it PotG? said:
Have you taken legal advice on how to challenge this in the Courts?

Seems to be the done thing 'de nos jours'.

It's the basis of our Parliamentary democracy. It's literally Day One of "How Parliament Works". If someone wanted to challenge this notion in the courts they're about 500 years too late.

beorhthelm · Oct 24, 2019

A1X said:
So why does Boris Johnson claim his deal represents what the 17.4m voted for and Nigel Farage claims it is not? Who is right, and why?

because they are politicans, and electioneering?

Grombleton · Oct 24, 2019

Is it PotG? said:
So you're comparing a vote on leaving the EU to buying some light bulbs on Amazon?

If you must know, yes I am happy with my order, possibly even more.

Proceed.

So, to use the online shopping tangent:

You've put your light bulbs into your basket one day, but you've realised shortly after that those are the wrong lightbulbs.

Would you still buy the wrong lightbulbs, knowing that they are wrong, then go through a timely and costly process of trying to return them back to the seller - purely because you've already done it and have to see it through?

Or would you clear your basket out and put the correct ones in before buying?

A1X · Oct 24, 2019

beorhthelm said:
because they are politicans, and electioneering?

But surely they don't need to be electioneering because "leave voters knew what they were voting for"? So one of them is lying. Which is it?

wellquickwoody · Oct 24, 2019

Thunder Bolt said:
For the umpteenth time on this thread, the decision was advisory only, and consequently proved to be corrupt in the High Court February 2019, and admitted by the government's own QC.

What have you got? Five GCSEs, three A levels and BoA in stating the bleeding obvious?

We know it was advisory, but it was universally expected to be acted on. I also know that the leave campaign was far from honest, but when is a political campaign ever entirely honest? The vote happened, it should be respected.

Blue Valkyrie · Oct 24, 2019

A1X said:
An EFTA Brexit would be a compromise most Remainers could happily live with, so it seems for all the talk by some of Remainers not compromising we've found the compromise solution. Come on Brexiters, why aren't you coming on board with this? This is Brexit so does what you want, no?

Absolutely.

And EFTA membership has nothing to do with further EU negotiations !!

Join the EEA via the EFTA pillar as well.

Commit it to law now, Johnson ! Fulfill your Vote Leave Campaign promise, one less lie !

Is it PotG? · Oct 24, 2019

Grombleton said:
So, to use the online shopping tangent:

You've put your light bulbs into your basket one day, but you've realised shortly after that those are the wrong lightbulbs.

Would you still buy the wrong lightbulbs, knowing that they are wrong, then go through a timely and costly process of trying to return them back to the seller - purely because you've already done it and have to see it through?

Or would you clear your basket out and put the correct ones in before buying?

But 17.4m put the correct ones in the basket, and wish to checkout.

( I DO like this shopping analogy, could go on for hours)

wellquickwoody · Oct 24, 2019

A1X said:
Why? When the people who pushed for that decision can't decide what it actually was they wanted that casts enough doubt on the decision to suggest that actually it doesn't deserve to be enacted.

Codswallop, just another poor excuse at ignoring the will of the electorate.

wellquickwoody · Oct 24, 2019

A1X said:
So in your head Norway and Somalia are exactly the same when it comes to their position with the EU?

You really are not worth the effort, goodbye.

A1X · Oct 24, 2019

wellquickwoody said:
Codswallop, just another poor excuse at ignoring the will of the electorate.

So Leavers DO agree on what terms they want to leave on? So why is Nigel Farage saying Boris Johnson's deal is not what the 17.4m voted for?

A1X · Oct 24, 2019

wellquickwoody said:
You really are not worth the effort, goodbye.

I'll take that as you not having an answer then.

beorhthelm · Oct 24, 2019

A1X said:
So you don't believe people who want to Remain should be given the opportunity to do so? How undemocratic.

so here is the problem, we cant even accept what the vote would be on, much less the options. there would be endless debate on the legitimacy of the vote, which one should have precedence, so on, before even getting to having one. since it has been argued that parliament should take decisions on behalf of their constituents, and that the public do not understand the complexity and impact the subject, it follows that parliament should decide whether to continue or end the process.

Thunder Bolt · Oct 24, 2019

wellquickwoody said:
What have you got? Five GCSEs, three A levels and BoA in stating the bleeding obvious?

We know it was advisory, but it was universally expected to be acted on. I also know that the leave campaign was from honest, but when is a political campaign ever entirely honest? The vote happened, it should be respected.

When e government legal advisor admits in the High Court, that is corrupt, then all expectations of respect are dead and buried.

A1X · Oct 24, 2019

beorhthelm said:
so here is the problem, we cant even accept what the vote would be on, much less the options. there would be endless debate on the legitimacy of the vote, which one should have precedence, so on, before even getting to having one. since it has been argued that parliament should take decisions on behalf of their constituents, and that the public do not understand the complexity and impact the subject, it follows that parliament should decide whether to continue or end the process.

I actually agree with this. Parliament got us into this mess, they can get us out of it by simple making a choice.

Thunder Bolt · Oct 24, 2019

Is it PotG? said:
But 17.4m put the correct ones in the basket, and wish to checkout.

( I DO like this shopping analogy, could go on for hours)

Admit it, you just like arguing.

Is it PotG? · Oct 24, 2019

Thunder Bolt said:
Admit it, you just like arguing.

No I do not.

Razzoo · Oct 24, 2019

Thunder Bolt said:
Admit it, you just like arguing.

Pot have you met Kettle?

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