[Politics] Brexit

CHAPPERS · Oct 23, 2019

Oxy McFloppie-Tish said:
This would be a bit like making Cornwall go through official export procedures to send goods across the River Tamar to Devon. Or have I misunderstood?

Yep, customs forms to be completed to sell within the UK. And fees to be paid.

The point is they don't know yet but we are just to trust the most untrustworthy PM and advisor there's ever been.

beorhthelm · Oct 23, 2019

CHAPPERS said:
Yep, customs forms to be completed to sell within the UK. And fees to be paid.

The point is they don't know yet but we are just to trust the most untrustworthy PM and advisor there's ever been.

they dont know, so why assume there will be customs forms and fees? why not assume there wont? the department has not drafted rules as there isnt currently legislation to follow. exit forms for products that came from GB to show they have returned and not gone in to IRE would likely be required.

CHAPPERS · Oct 23, 2019

beorhthelm said:
they dont know, so you've assumed there will be customs forms and fees? more sensible assumption would be there wont, the department has not drafted rules as there isnt currently legislation to follow. exit forms for products that came from GB to show they have returned and not gone in to IRE would be the new thing here.

https://www.politico.eu/article/bar...plete-declarations-when-trading-with-britain/

wellquickwoody · Oct 23, 2019

A1X said:
So you don't believe people with an opinion should be allowed to act on them?

Of course people are ‘allowed’ (unless something illegal is occurring), but the usurping of democracy is shameful.

Pretty pink fairy · Oct 23, 2019

Is it PotG? said:
Do you HONESTLY think I keep a list of your posts and incidents of such?

Barking.

His self importance goes before him

Regards
DF

CHAPPERS · Oct 23, 2019

beorhthelm said:
they dont know, so why assume there will be customs forms and fees? why not assume there wont? the department has not drafted rules as there isnt currently legislation to follow. exit forms for products that came from GB to show they have returned and not gone in to IRE would likely be required.

Oh hang on the PM has now said something different.,

Hornblower · Oct 23, 2019

wellquickwoody said:
Of course people are ‘allowed’ (unless something illegal is occurring), but the usurping of democracy is shameful.

By democracy, do you mean the marginal majority vote based on lies taken three and a half years ago? Just want to be clear.

Thunder Bolt · Oct 23, 2019

Brighton Lines said:
That's not Mr Shouty Man, Steve Bray.

Also, as far as I'm aware, SODEM is a one man show. Happy to be proved wrong.

I do find his shouting disruptive and counter productive.

A1X said:
Isn't Steve Bray the "STOP BREXIT" guy, not the pro-Brexit one he refers to?

Yes, my mistake. I read the quote too quickly as I was going out.

ManOfSussex · Oct 23, 2019

The Clamp said:
It’s all rather sad seeing the confused leave voters on here. I genuinely don’t think they understand what’s going on.

You've got to back to 2016 because it was the people advocating this then that had no idea. It was assumptions and naivety at best. You only had to look at the people doing it - arrogant, clueless chancers who couldn't believe the limelight they got. The pup got sold though.

Instead, post 2016, it's now 15 years minimum, of political, economic, diplomatic and societal upheaval in a divided country that's never going to come back together and the further clarion calls for independence/unification and rejoin The EU to come, whenever this happens.

What an absolute, bitter, futile waste of time the 2020's, with all the recriminations therein, are going to be.

Pretty pink fairy · Oct 23, 2019

ManOfSussex said:
You've got to back to 2016 because it was the people advocating this then that had no idea. It was assumptions and naivety at best. You only had to look at the people doing it - arrogant, clueless chancers who couldn't believe the limelight they got. The pup got sold though.

Instead, post 2016, it's now 15 years minimum, of political, economic, diplomatic and societal upheaval in a divided country that's never going to come back together and the further clarion calls for independence/unification and rejoin The EU to come, whenever this happens.

What an absolute, bitter, futile waste of time the 2020's, with all the recriminations therein, are going to be.

Get over yourself zzzzzzzzzzzzzz
Regards
DF

Is it PotG? · Oct 23, 2019

ManOfSussex said:
You've got to back to 2016 because it was the people advocating this then that had no idea. It was assumptions and naivety at best. You only had to look at the people doing it - arrogant, clueless chancers who couldn't believe the limelight they got. The pup got sold though.

Instead, post 2016, it's now 15 years minimum, of political, economic, diplomatic and societal upheaval in a divided country that's never going to come back together and the further clarion calls for independence/unification and rejoin The EU to come, whenever this happens.

What an absolute, bitter, futile waste of time the 2020's, with all the recriminations therein, are going to be.

ManOfSussex · Oct 23, 2019

Mouldy Boots said:
The desperation of Labour, Lib undems and SNP are out of control and they care for no one but their own politicals gains.

I take my hat off to ex remainers like yourself and the 19 Labour MPs that had some balls to think about democracy and bringing Britain back together again.

Kevin Barron (Rother Valley), Sarah Champion (Rotherham), Rosie Cooper (West Lancashire), Jon Cruddas (Dagenham and Rainham), Gloria De Piero (Ashfield), Jim Fitzpatrick (Poplar and Limehouse), Caroline Flint (Don Valley), Mike Hill (Hartlepool), Dan Jarvis (Barnsley Central), Emma Lewell-Buck (South Shields), John Mann (Bassetlaw), Grahame Morris (Easington), Lisa Nandy (Wigan), Melanie Onn (Great Grimsby), Stephanie Peacock (Barnsley East), Jo Platt (Leigh), Ruth Smeeth (Stoke-on-Trent North), Laura Smith (Crewe and Nantwich), Gareth Snell (Stoke-on-Trent Central).

But only 5 of them voted with the Government on the programme motion, thus meaning 14 of those you're applauding voted to delay Brexit, or abstain, for whatever their reasons ultimately may be.

beorhthelm · Oct 23, 2019

CHAPPERS said:
Oh hang on the PM has now said something different.,

because, as you say, they dont know. they havent worked out the implementation yet.

what is happening is people say things, correct, incorrect, half correct, then things change. then we compare the current with the original and new speculation, find they are inconsistent. its rather like trying to make sense of Star Wars story arcs.

Thunder Bolt · Oct 23, 2019

DavidinSouthampton said:
The political commentator in the Guardian made the point about Saturday's business in Parliament that Keir Starmer, as so often, was the only contributor who made any sense. Whether you agree with him or not (which I do), he certainly knows what he is doing. He is a QC and a former Director of Public Prosecutions, after all.

A very genuine man that I have had the pleasure of meeting once or twice.

CHAPPERS · Oct 23, 2019

beorhthelm said:
because, as you say, they dont know. they havent worked out the implementation yet.

Pretty big issue to leave unresolved isn't it?

Do you trust the proven liar who is now PM or the Brexit Secretary that doesn't seem to know the rules? Or neither?

ManOfSussex · Oct 23, 2019

Is it PotG? said:

It doesn't surprise me you got sold the pup in the slightest.

*Gullsworth* · Oct 23, 2019

Thunder Bolt said:
A very genuine man that I have had the pleasure of meeting once or twice.

And possibly the next Labour Prime Minister.*

*Starmer not Thunder Bolt

Is it PotG? · Oct 23, 2019

*Gullsworth* said:
And possibly the next Labour Prime Minister.

Not if Jezza has anything to do with it.

*Gullsworth* · Oct 23, 2019

Is it PotG? said:
Not if Jezza has anything to do with it.

In my opinion Boris has a bye in the next election, which is a great shame. If Starmer had been Labour leader at this point he would wipe the floor with bungling Boris.

Eeyore · Oct 23, 2019

*Gullsworth* said:
In my opinion Boris has a bye in the next election, which is a great shame. If Starmer had been Labour leader at this point he would wipe the floor with bungling Boris.

Yep.

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