nicko31
Well-known member
I didn't see a single St George flag alone, just admit it you'd be happy to be just English not British.
But you are of course not alone, the new form of exceptionalism exists in their isles and isn't going to end well
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[Politics] Brexit
- Thread starter KingstonSeagull
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I didn't see a single St George flag alone, just admit it you'd be happy to be just English not British.
But you are of course not alone, the new form of exceptionalism exists in their isles and isn't going to end well
nicko31
Well-known member
Jeez, echoes of a previous quote from Bojo the clown.,.
The Green MP Caroline Lucas asks about “the trap door” in the deal where if the UK hasn’t negotiated an arrangement with the EU by the end of next year, we will “crash out”. Johnson says there will be no crashing out “because we will negotiate a great new friendship and partnership”.
The Green MP Caroline Lucas asks about “the trap door” in the deal where if the UK hasn’t negotiated an arrangement with the EU by the end of next year, we will “crash out”. Johnson says there will be no crashing out “because we will negotiate a great new friendship and partnership”.
Thunder Bolt
Silly old bat
How on earth can you trust any of them to do what you want? They change their minds day to day.
Pavilionaire
Well-known member
- Jul 7, 2003
- 30,586
So have I got this right? I give you a 110-page Withdrawal Agreement with 300+ pages of supporting text and no Economic Impact Assessment, and if you won't wave it through inside a few days then we're pulling the Bill and having a General Election?
All this on the back of illegally proroguing Parliament and then writing 2 letters to the EU.
I haven't seen such naivety since the days of the primary school playground. Exactly who is advising Boris? Tucker Jenkins, Pogo Patterson and Gripper Stebson??
All this on the back of illegally proroguing Parliament and then writing 2 letters to the EU.
I haven't seen such naivety since the days of the primary school playground. Exactly who is advising Boris? Tucker Jenkins, Pogo Patterson and Gripper Stebson??
Mike Small
Well-known member
- Dec 26, 2008
- 2,686
This is and has always been about the Tory party. They are the most successful political party in history and this is because they only truly care about themselves. This deadline of the 31st October is only about the career of Boris Johnson.
How does Johnson think he's going to get his election?
Yoda
English & European
I know, I'm nearly 40 and I've never in my lifetime seen a PM acting like a ****ing 6 year old in all his time in office.
Very happy to be British thank you. Just not a 'citizen' of the EU.
- Apr 5, 2014
- 23,585
It would need the EU to agree to the extension for the purposes of the election.
Then the opposition can't really refuse without looking hypocritical.
Rodney Thomas
Well-known member
Is there any real difference? I'd agree with Benedict Anderson that, in reality, there is little.
vegster
Sanity Clause
- May 5, 2008
- 27,894
If you had heard the call you would have been really, really worried! The lady said it was a good deal and that it should be passed as quickly as possible...
When asked what was the best thing about the deal the lady stumbled and said " There are many good things in this deal.. " when asked " What in particular is good about the deal? " ... She said she hadn't read it and had no idea what was in it!
Hampster Gull
New member
- Dec 22, 2010
- 13,462
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Kalimantan Gull
Well-known member
Not sure about that, if a revised timetable of, say, a month was put forward for the bills passage, I don't believe the votes would be there for a vote of no confidence. All those in favour of the Bill going to second reading would allow parliament to continue
No. No white flag I’m afraid. I have by and large maintained we will probably leave. Some moments have given me hope and as I write this we are still fully signed up members of the EU.
Leaving without at least another referendum would be an utter affront to democracy but since when do leavers care for democracy?
I still believe anything can happen. Your mob hasn’t got it in the bag just yet.
Anyway, absolutely stunning day up on the beautiful South Downs today. 22 Km worth of pure Sussex countryside walked today. Lovely.
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- Jul 10, 2003
- 25,864
Well, now that the Withdrawal Bill has been published and there have been a good few hours to read and digest it (and apparently plenty of time for it to be voted on even).
I would like to know [MENTION=1365]Westdene Seagull[/MENTION] and [MENTION=33253]JC Footy Genius[/MENTION] views on it. Mainly, is it the 'good deal' that the two of you have been waiting so patiently for, and if so, what are the aspects that make it so far removed from every other 'Vassal State' soft Brexit that you have been against ?
I'm also somewhat surprised that neither of you have corrected me on my interpretation of clause 30
I would like to know [MENTION=1365]Westdene Seagull[/MENTION] and [MENTION=33253]JC Footy Genius[/MENTION] views on it. Mainly, is it the 'good deal' that the two of you have been waiting so patiently for, and if so, what are the aspects that make it so far removed from every other 'Vassal State' soft Brexit that you have been against ?
I'm also somewhat surprised that neither of you have corrected me on my interpretation of clause 30
If I have understood clause 30 correctly,
I think you're right and, if we haven't negotiated a deal we could well go 'no deal' on 31st December 2020.
However, given that we currently have 14 months of 'implementation period' left to negotiate the most complex full trade deal in Britain's history and that may have to include time to get the WA through parliament and hold a general Election, Shirley no idiot would seriously think this can happen, so there will obviously have to be an extension to the 'implementation period'.
It's just that the £39B that Johnson wasn't going to pay, but has now decided to pay, only covers us up to 31st December 2020. If we extend beyond that, then the EU can charge us whatever they like, as there is no framework for further payments
It's obviously been well thought through, this 'deal'
BensGrandad
New member
I disagree as to have another referendum would be the biggest affront to democracy. The referendum, as promised , was held and a result determined and as such should be acted on. Anything else is wrong. End of story.
- Jan 30, 2008
- 785
Greg Bobkin
Silver Seagull
- May 22, 2012
- 14,851
That's one of the things I was saying earlier. A major national issue has suddenly turned into a tit-for-tat between the main political parties. Absolute shitshow.
Marshy
Well-known member
Lol, leaving without another referendum is an affront to democracy... I have heard it all now.
I voted remain, but there should not be another vote.