[Politics] Brexit

The Clamp · Oct 21, 2019

So the Tory party again demanding more votes until their side wins. But that’s okay for leavers because democracy only stands if they get what they want.

When will you lot realise Brexit can’t work and and nobody with any sense wants it.

Absolutely pathetic.

Rodney Thomas · Oct 21, 2019

Why are people complaining about the Speaker of the House of Commons? This is out democracy at work, isn't it what Leave 'voted for'?

A1X · Oct 21, 2019

Rodney Thomas said:
Why are people complaining about the Speaker of the House of Commons? This is out democracy at work, isn't it what Leave 'voted for'?

Because basically the Brexiters now subscribe to the Scooby Doo theory that they would get away with it if it wasn't for that pesky Speaker.

Is it PotG? · Oct 21, 2019

He's off in a few weeks, will be sorely missed.

Wardy's twin · Oct 21, 2019

GrizzlingGammon said:
I think [MENTION=11231]Rockerite[/MENTION] is referring to this. That the Americans can't be trusted as an ally under Trump. So let's organise ourselves a combined army for greater protection.

I guess someone told him about it and he didn't know where to look for proof, or even try to ascertain its truth to start with

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Sounds like a good idea to me given we know what the U.S. does to its allies.

Blue Valkyrie · Oct 21, 2019

Well if any EU Customs Union amendment is passed, it'll prevent EFTA membership and hence any hope of a Norway deal or a Switzerland deal.

Who wants Turkey+, San Marino+, Andorra+ or Manaco+ ?

Unless a 3rd pillar of access to the EEA is negotiated alongside the EU and EFTA pillars. Absolutely no chance of that happening.

So any Customs Union amendment will kill the whole point of Brexit for me. The golden opportunity will have gone up in smoke. Brexit bungled.

Thunder Bolt · Oct 21, 2019

Is it PotG? said:
Do you want me to pull a page from your book?

Ok.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Speakers_of_the_British_House_of_Commons

The role, as you can see, has changed over the years.

Not tricky that.

A list of Speakers from Wikipedia?

Ok.

Is it PotG? · Oct 21, 2019

Thunder Bolt said:
A list of Speakers from Wikipedia?

Ok.

Sorry, I misread your 'who were they?' (ie. The Speakers) question. I thought that you genuinely wanted to know.

Pavilionaire · Oct 21, 2019

BensGrandad said:
I am impatient because he has been the best weapon the anti Boris mob have had and will continue to do us harm for the remaining 10 days, possibly irreparable.

Speaking as one of the 16million+ "anti Boris mob" I'd say that although useful as Bercow has been, by far the best weapon in our arsenal was the inept Theresa May blowing her majority in 2017. We haven't looked back since then.

Thunder Bolt · Oct 21, 2019

A1X said:
Because basically the Brexiters now subscribe to the Scooby Doo theory that they would get away with it if it wasn't for that pesky Speaker.

It's the Blame game.
Remain MPs
Gina Miller
Remainers
Judges
The EU
The Speaker
The Queen
Rebel Tories
The SNP
The Irish

Lower West Stander · Oct 21, 2019

The Clamp said:
So the Tory party again demanding more votes until their side wins. But that’s okay for leavers because democracy only stands if they get what they want.

When will you lot realise Brexit can’t work and and nobody with any sense wants it.

Absolutely pathetic.

You could make exactly the same argument for the Labour Party. They've been whipping against this for the sole reason they want to be in power.

They are all as bad as each other....

Is it PotG? · Oct 21, 2019

Thunder Bolt said:
It's the Blame game.
Remain MPs
Gina Miller
Remainers
Judges
The EU
The Speaker
The Queen
Rebel Tories
The SNP
The Irish

Shame it will still happen, eventually. Has only strengthened the resolve of supporters. It isn't going away.

Stat Brother · Oct 21, 2019

Grombleton said:
Yeah, how dare he do his job and not allow the government to do whatever the hell they want!

It's like you don't have a ****ing clue what his job is BG. Or is Bercow the current hate-figure for those too frustrated by the state of play?

You've got to be pretty f**king stupid if you think passing this bill is 'bringing it to an end'.

Thunder Bolt · Oct 21, 2019

Is it PotG? said:
Shame it will still happen, eventually. Has only strengthened the resolve of supporters. It isn't going away.

I agree it isn't going away. I disagree that it has strengthened those that want to leave when I have read many posts by those who have changed their minds to remain.
Why not ask the public again to see what they want to do now?

Thunder Bolt · Oct 21, 2019

Is it PotG? said:
Sorry, I misread your 'who were they?' (ie. The Speakers) question. I thought that you genuinely wanted to know.

You posted categorically that John Bercow had moved the goalposts. I thought you had information about which previous Speakers had done things differently.

beorhthelm · Oct 21, 2019

Blue Valkyrie said:
Well if any EU Customs Union amendment is passed, it'll prevent EFTA membership and hence any hope of a Norway deal or a Switzerland deal.

Who wants Turkey+, San Marino+, Andorra+ or Manaco+ ?

Unless a 3rd pillar of access to the EEA is negotiated alongside the EU and EFTA pillars. Absolutely no chance of that happening.

So any Customs Union amendment will kill the whole point of Brexit for me. The golden opportunity will have gone up in smoke. Brexit bungled.

it would be unhelpful and might kill the whole deal, unless they put it in the political declaration. which is the only thing the EU would agree to anyway (negotiating customs union or not is a matter for the transition). smart people might notice how easy it was for some issues to be moved from WA to the political declaration, because they remain open to negotiation in future. the EU are apparently quite happy to leave doors open.

vegster · Oct 21, 2019

Berty23 said:
It is interesting that you don’t think a border between us and NI is that different. I have just seen something suggesting that exporters from NI to GB will need to fill out customs form. This is pretty big issue and surely the beginning of the end for the union.

I miss the days when The tories were championing NI as a place to do business because they keep the benefits of SM and CU. Was that last Friday? Fun times.

Having Northern Ireland effectively treating the rest of the UK as another country is eye opening. I wonder what else in Boris's Wonder Deal will be exposed next?

Blue Valkyrie · Oct 21, 2019

beorhthelm said:
it would be unhelpful and might kill the whole deal, unless they put it in the political declaration. which is the only thing the EU would agree to anyway (negotiating customs union or not is a matter for the transition). smart people might notice how easy it was for some issues to be moved from WA to the political declaration, because they remain open to negotiation in future. the EU are apparently quite happy to leave doors open.

True. The political declaration is just a future guideline I suppose.

Wardy's twin · Oct 21, 2019

Blue Valkyrie said:
Well if any EU Customs Union amendment is passed, it'll prevent EFTA membership and hence any hope of a Norway deal or a Switzerland deal.

Who wants Turkey+, San Marino+, Andorra+ or Manaco+ ?

Unless a 3rd pillar of access to the EEA is negotiated alongside the EU and EFTA pillars. Absolutely no chance of that happening.

So any Customs Union amendment will kill the whole point of Brexit for me. The golden opportunity will have gone up in smoke. Brexit bungled.

Golden opportunity? What does that mean in actual , tangible terms?

beorhthelm · Oct 21, 2019

Berty23 said:
It is interesting that you don’t think a border between us and NI is that different. I have just seen something suggesting that exporters from NI to GB will need to fill out customs form. This is pretty big issue and surely the beginning of the end for the union.

i didnt say i think theres no difference, its important difference between agreements. beyond that what differences are there between the previous WA and this one?

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