[Politics] Brexit

beorhthelm said:

i did, didnt say anything about national parks or green belt, which we established for ourselves. besides this, generally we need to build more in this country to solve the problems in housing. EU doesnt prevent us from amending our own law on countryside protections. while throwing insults of people being thick, you raise issues that infer the EU controls some aspect of life in the UK, supporting arguments of leavers.

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The Clamp said:

Where to start. I think I’ll save my energy.

Keep up the good work.

I’m going for a walk on the Downs . While we still can.

TBFNTC

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The Clamp said:

And maybe his skin colour so you can really get a handle on whether you value his opinion or not?

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Mo Gosfield said:

One could also say that those who have deliberately undertaken an agenda of doom and gloom mongering, spreading messages of forthcoming armageddon and have successfully scared shitless a whole swathe of the British public, who have greatly reduced spending levels and forced the economy into its current depressive state ( and if you don't believe it, go out and ask shopkeepers and business owners ) could also be held accountable for actions against the well being of this country.

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Mo Gosfield said:

One could also say that those who have deliberately undertaken an agenda of doom and gloom mongering, spreading messages of forthcoming armageddon and have successfully scared shitless a whole swathe of the British public, who have greatly reduced spending levels and forced the economy into its current depressive state ( and if you don't believe it, go out and ask shopkeepers and business owners ) could also be held accountable for actions against the well being of this country.

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ROKERITE said:

Remainer thugs were harassing JRM and his small son. Andrea Leadsom needed a police escort to guarantee her safety from "people's vote" supporters screaming at and threatening her. One million marching against democracy and freedom, but in support of Verhofstadt's EU Empire.
Don't try and pretend any of that one million have an ounce of patriotism. To be fair to Verhofstadt he isn't even hiding his ambitions any more, so to still support membership of his imperial power makes you an EU imperialist.

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Dick Swiveller said:

Him and his cronies are the first senior politicians that have led me to believe they are only interested in their own agenda. I have agreed with the policy of very few, if any of the following but I always got the feeling that Thatcher, Major, Blair, Brown, Cameron and even May were trying to implement what they thought was best for the country. Of course this is generalised and there are plenty of instances for all of them that were done for ulterior motives but on the whole, I got the feeling that it wasn't just personal gain/power that drove them but a sense of running the country properly, however misguided I feel most, if not all of them were. The jury is out for me on Corbyn in this regard. His early days as leader did seem to reflect him trying to get his beliefs into action and actually seemed to answer questions honestly. Now he seems to be heading into the realm of just trying to get into power rather than actually acting according to his beliefs.

Again, for clarity and to avoid diatribes from the usual suspects, I am against the extreme policies on both sides at present - this is purely based on my gut feel for the motives behind the way senior figures on both sides have been motivated during my adulthood. Don't bother with the IRA sympathiser/Eton posh boy route because that is not the point I am making. But in Johnson, Rees-Mogg, Gove, Cummings et al, I only get the sense that everything they do is for their own benefit/advancement. However much she back tracks on it, the comment from Rachel Johnson about Boris acting on behalf of billionaires looking to short the pound actually holds some credence. No idea if it is true or not but the fact I give the matter some thought and could see a fair chance of it being true is very damning for me. However damaging policies from either side have been in the past, you could see that a lot of them were based on the political beliefs of those involved. I don't see that with the above mentioned - Johnson took an age to actually announce which side he was on before the referendum. I am fairly sure he tried to pick the plucky losing side to give him leverage in future challenges. When he got this wrong, he slunk off so he couldn't be blamed for the fallout. And then come charging the rescue with nothing but bluster and obfuscation. He has failed massively but garnered support from an electorate who again see him as a plucky underdog standing up for their democratic decision. I would be stupefied if that was actually the case. I think the first and only rule of Boris Club is "Only worry about Boris"

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Mo Gosfield said:

One could also say that those who have deliberately undertaken an agenda of doom and gloom mongering, spreading messages of forthcoming armageddon and have successfully scared shitless a whole swathe of the British public, who have greatly reduced spending levels and forced the economy into its current depressive state ( and if you don't believe it, go out and ask shopkeepers and business owners ) could also be held accountable for actions against the well being of this country.

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The Clamp said:

He’s not remain. Never had been.

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wellquickwoody said:

You are a liar and a twunt to boot.

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ManOfSussex said:

For some reason I doubt you could even use the correct variation of 'lying' properly in response.

From a confirmed, but reformed, convicted ex-criminal in Hastings.

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The Clamp said:

You’re probably right ;-)

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Mo Gosfield said:

Well that has been happening for a long time.
The soft drinks industry did it to offset the Sugar Tax. The chocolate and confectionery industry have been at it for years. Likewise the cereal and biscuit manufacturers. Its endless. Their mantra is...." In the light of rising costs, we didn't want to pass this on to the consumer, so to retain a competitive price, attractive to consumers, we have reduced the size by a small amount " ( Usually between 10 - 25% )
They think we are all daft but most people notice the declining size of product.

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zefarelly said:

I'm a small business owner, and I'm bust. For the first time in 11 years I have no work, at all.

I've been looking for a job most of the year, no joy, not even an interview.

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The Clamp said:

And maybe his skin colour so you can really get a handle on whether you value his opinion or not?

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ROKERITE said:

What is it about remainers and a person's skin colour? They seem obsessed with it. Perhaps it is a closet racism that makes them support an imperial EU. Well a BREXIT GB doesn't care about a person's skin colour. Brexiteers are of every colour and creed as opposed to the overwhelmingly white ostensibly one million marching against freedom yesterday.

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Guinness Boy said:

MEPs are elected. The House of Lords isn't. And our MPs are currently blocking Brexit.

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Jaxie said:

Sorry if I appeared sarcastic. That wasn’t intentional, though reading back I can see how I could have come across that way. But I can’t accept the argument that EU lawmakers/ leaders are unelected. We’ve only just had elections for MEPs to represent us. How much more Democrat could it be?

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ROKERITE said:

What is it about remainers and a person's skin colour? They seem obsessed with it. Perhaps it is a closet racism that makes them support an imperial EU. Well a BREXIT GB doesn't care about a person's skin colour. Brexiteers are of every colour and creed as opposed to the overwhelmingly white ostensibly one million marching against freedom yesterday.

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