dingodan
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- Feb 16, 2011
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Whatever way you voted three years ago, I think we can all agree, this guy is a knob.
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[Politics] Brexit
- Thread starter KingstonSeagull
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Whatever way you voted three years ago, I think we can all agree, this guy is a knob.
I did, and you seem correct in your analogy, you appear to be ..........................blah blah blah etc
I came up with something for the above space but was not rude enough to post it, not sure you would do the same.
This is always an interesting statement when I hear it on the radio or telly and so on. I haven't fallen out with anyone over Brexit - despite the country being apparently 'divided' over it. Most people gave it a tiny bit of thought in 2016, voted for one reason or another how they did - and thought that was it. Mostly, if the subject of Brexit is raised in any conversation, there is just a groan, and we move on to something else.
I'm not sure we really are in danger of being 'split'. Whatever the decision, the vast majority of people will simply be glad that there might be something else in the news for a while. And in fact, given that remaining is the 'least change' way out of all of this, it's likely to bring about unity (in as much as we can all get on with other stuff) more than a deal which will simply mean years more bickering, and arguing over whether any specific economic, environmental,or working change in the future is the 'fault of Brexit'.
Appreciate your view. Nice to get sensible discussion for once. I feel that those who have realised that this should be a democratic decision/process have long moved on to the acceptance of whatever is delivered. There are others on both sides who have pinned their colours to the mast and will defend it till the end. In my view it does not bode well.
Pavilionaire
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- Jul 7, 2003
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The economic forecasts say we'll be worse of under Boris's deal, so why would the 48% - who will be defeated and now poorer - come back into the fold?
Brexit is bad economically, it is bad politically, it is bad environmentally, bad for security, it isolates us, it weakens us as the UK and it threatens the break-up of the UK itself. Anyone who thinks Britain can return to the way they were pre-Brexit is deluded.
This country canot afford to take the risk of leaving the EU and the short term economic impact that will bring. Our NHS and social services are at breaking point already, we canot afford a 2 or 3% drop in tax revenue, let alone the 6 or 7% some forecasters are predicting.
vegster
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- May 5, 2008
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Labour MP Jess Philips has just said "We are being asked to trust Johnson to care for our constituents when his whole career he has voted to impoverish them, reduce their rights, limit their protections at work..."
Hampster Gull
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- Dec 22, 2010
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The Catalans are showing the Brexiteers how to protest when you want independence. All we get is a gap few gammon mumbling about it on social media before they carry on drinking their tinnie
Hampster Gull
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- Dec 22, 2010
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Thunder Bolt
Silly old bat
Anybody who thinks tomorrow's vote, or the Withdrawal Agreement is the end, needs to note this from Twitter. The confirmations are from members of the press.
Now have 3 confirmations on this story.
ERG are getting assurances from AG Geoffrey Cox that Britain (without N Ireland) can crash out of transition phase December 2020 in no deal as was planned this year.
Johnson Brexit deal is thus an attempt to force a later no deal.
Now have 3 confirmations on this story.
ERG are getting assurances from AG Geoffrey Cox that Britain (without N Ireland) can crash out of transition phase December 2020 in no deal as was planned this year.
Johnson Brexit deal is thus an attempt to force a later no deal.
Hampster Gull
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- Dec 22, 2010
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you can’t put down extremists, even as a minority they keep trying to force their willThis was pretty obvious yesterday.
dingodan
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- Feb 16, 2011
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If this deal passes, why would no deal be better than a free trade deal?
If we do a free trade deal then we are out of the EU but we also have trade arrangements with the EU which both sides agree to. Who would prefer to have no trade deal? There might be one or two, but it won't be up to them they are in a minority.
Now, if this deal fails, then you get into a situation where we have an election and Brexit isn't concluded. Hard Brexit MPs move the campaign more in their direction, Brexit Party gains seats. You will end up with more chance of no deal if this deal fails, than you would if this deal passes.
Until a trade deal is done with the EU there is no way of preventing no deal, but you can make no deal much more likely. The way to do that is to vote down this deal.
beorhthelm
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- Jul 21, 2003
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the question begged is why would they, if during the transition period an amicable trade/customs/political agreement is reached? this possibility would exist in any withdrawal deal, it is not and never has been a long term agreement.
- Apr 5, 2014
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Well, what he actually said was that he had assurances that the UK would leave on 'no deal' terms if the trade talks fail at the end of 2020.
Having 'no intention' of signing up is a lie.
They obviously don't bank on people watching the interview.
Thunder Bolt
Silly old bat
Cummings & Johnson don't want an amicable trade, customs, or political agreement in the transition period.
The whole thing is a big con.
Blue Valkyrie
Not seen such Bravery!
It wouldn't be the same as *no deal* currently is.
The withdrawal agreement would be done and set in history.
What this means is "leave transition without a deal" - which would be really bad but... there is no acrimony in the mix, just an incentive for both sides to keep talking and get an initial trade deal done quickly. An enhanced trade deal could even follow on later.
And... we will be further along the way with a US Trade deal ( not blocked by Congress as we haven't trashed the Good Friday Agreement ).
So, very bad but not the same degree of cataclysm.
Post what you like, I’m not a snowflake. I dish it out, I can take it. If it’s true or funny or both what’s not to like?
KZNSeagull
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I seem to remember that Twitter was full of people telling us that Johnson etc had no intention of negotiating a deal before 31/10 as well.
beorhthelm
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- Jul 21, 2003
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why not? who benefits from no amicable agreement and who told you so?