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[Politics] Brexit
- Thread starter KingstonSeagull
- Start date
Remainers that continue to want another referendum and waste yet more time, money and uncertainty in business.
You're just wasting your time.
I wanted a NO deal, but I understand that to be realistic, a deal that satisfies both parties has to be a winner to solve peace in Britain today.
Peace man, well played Boris.
Congratulations on making a contribution without resorting to obnoxious comment or dropping in a veiled reference to violence on the streets.
I don't know whether you knew this, but there are more than two parties and I don't think they are all 'satisfied' by this latest 'deal'.
Do you see any difference between the two terms above?
Garry Nelson's teacher
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I've never done this before but I dug out my comment made on the 23rd August:. Bloody hell I wish I'd got it wrong.
I also think he (Johnson) has another great quality: he is simply lucky. He has somehow got away with it and become Prime Minister. This in itself is absolutely bloody amazing and the culmination of many huge slices of luck. It could well be that he is even lucky enough to GET A DEAL. I don't know how, but I'm not ruling it out. I know that the Brexiteers narrative has always said the EU will 'crumble' and while there's been no evidence of this yet, I think that there might well be some internal pressures bubbling up from beneath Merkel and Macron (after all their economies are not exactly steaming full ahead) and there's also the impact of a no deal on the RoI which would be catastrophic in both political (border/Good Friday Agreement) and economic terms. (As it would be for NI.)
I also think he (Johnson) has another great quality: he is simply lucky. He has somehow got away with it and become Prime Minister. This in itself is absolutely bloody amazing and the culmination of many huge slices of luck. It could well be that he is even lucky enough to GET A DEAL. I don't know how, but I'm not ruling it out. I know that the Brexiteers narrative has always said the EU will 'crumble' and while there's been no evidence of this yet, I think that there might well be some internal pressures bubbling up from beneath Merkel and Macron (after all their economies are not exactly steaming full ahead) and there's also the impact of a no deal on the RoI which would be catastrophic in both political (border/Good Friday Agreement) and economic terms. (As it would be for NI.)
Kalimantan Gull
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Except that many remain MP's will support the deal, and once again we're wondering if the ERG and DUP will support it
dingodan
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- Feb 16, 2011
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There wasn't any deal they would ever have supported.
Just like you, you don't want a deal, you want no Brexit. So do they.
You are at least more honest about it than they are.
Can I genuinely A’s why you wish you got it wrong? [emoji2377]
- Jul 10, 2003
- 25,870
Have you got to the following bits yet ?
Northern Ireland is in the UK's customs territory but in reality the EU's customs processes will apply, with some exemptions, rebates and other tweaks.
Northern Ireland will follow pages and pages of EU rules on agriculture and goods. Items entering Northern Ireland from Britain will be checked for compliance with those EU regulations to protect the rest of the EU in order for the single market to be physically protected.
Breaches of those rules can be sent to the European Court of Justice, which means the EU's highest court still administers EU law. The single market will be legally protected.
The people of NI can indeed decide if they want out of this. It's then down to Stormont to change the status quo and introduce a hard border. Nicely ducked, Johnson.
And Ninety-five per cent of this 'revised deal' is the same as that agreed with Theresa May, of which you said
I can't imagine what the people of NI could find to whine and moan about with this deal ?
Sounds just like the 'good deal' you have been waiting for
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portslade seagull
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Let's hope it's now voted through so we can get past this hopeless situation
kemptown kid
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- Apr 17, 2011
- 362
Quite.
Confirmatory referendum the only realistic way of attempting to resolve this horribly divisive can of worms opened by David Cameron in the hope of seeing off Farage and the ERG. Voting on an actual, negotiated deal rather than a vague 'leave' which covered a range of options from staying in the customs union and single market and maintaining citizens' rights across the UK/EU to a 'clean break' no deal. The 'culture wars' which have surfaced in all Brexit related discussions (including on NSC) will no doubt continue, but at least our interim relationship with the EU will be resolved for a while.
Why are the will of the people brigade so fearful of allowing the people to have a confirmatory vote?
- Jul 10, 2003
- 25,870
You obviously want to get the easy bit over with (the withdrawal agreement) and get on with the long and arduous bit of the negotiation, the trade deal
Garry Nelson's teacher
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Yes sure: but for the full version you'd need to trawl through my various postings on this tread. So in short: I think that Brexit is the worst development in British politics. economics and the social fabric in my lifetime. It has no redeeming features and will be a disaster. And I wish I'm wrong (again).
portslade seagull
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You obviously want to get the easy bit over with (the withdrawal agreement) and get on with the long and arduous bit of the negotiation, the trade deal
Still acting like a baby, keep it up
Baldseagull
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No they didn't, they were asked a loaded question in relation to respecting the last referendum, not how they would vote in another.
The same group returned a 51% in favour of not leaving on the 31st, either with or without a deal.
kemptown kid
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- Apr 17, 2011
- 362
Assuming your 'it won't be as bad or different as you fear' argument is correct, please remind us what will be better.
- Jul 10, 2003
- 25,870
It was extremely immature of me to point out the obvious implications of your latest 'just get on with it' post, I'm guessing somewhat to your embarrassment. Out of interest have you read the details of the deal and are there any aspects you particularly like ?
Don't worry, I won't do it again
Baldseagull
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Quite wrong, polls taken at the beginning of a campaign, or just before it did not predict the end result, but those polls taken close to voting were quite accurate, for Brexit, Trump and GE 2017
D
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We know the Libs and the SNP have their own agendas and to a certain degree, Labour does also.
They need to vote for compromise and not their pipe dreams of winning an election.
The country can now ease into a sigh and.............
https://youtu.be/0yU0JuE1jTk
That’s what Johnson wants Parliament to believe. I’m sure Parliament won’t blunder into accepting Johnson’s Orwellian version of the situation so you have nothing to worry about.
The only way that his deal is getting through is with the confirmatory ‘law making’ referendum bolt-on added.