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If there was a second Brexit referendum how would you vote?

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Pretty pink fairy

Pretty pink fairy

Banned
Jan 30, 2008
31,981
Baldseagull said:
But you are quite choosy over which promises you want upheld, if I can do the same, can I have the promise that we would be part of the free trade area, and that we would not leave without a deal?
You know the problem is that not all promises can be met, as some cancel out others. Yet you blame the people that point this out, and not the people that promised the impossible.
Given that there is no brexit that can fulfill all the promises, how do we decide which of them are to be kept and which are to be discarded?
You want to give the decision on that to the people that made the false promises, Johnson, Gove, Mogg etc. and ignore the wishes of the majority of the House of Commons, at some point you are going to have to accept that you are not wanting democracy, you just want to dress up your preferred outcome as democratically reached, when it isn't.
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You're missing the point completely , MPs ignoring their constituents, to many agendas spoiling the broth people have had enough of the stalling but Parliament are oblivious despite warnings of political back lashes that would restructue politics in this country

Regards
DR
 


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theonlymikey

New member
Apr 21, 2016
789
Pretty pink fairy said:
You're missing the point completely , MPs ignoring their constituents, to many agendas spoiling the broth peoe have had enough of the stalling but Parliament are oblivious despite warnings of political back lashes that could restructue optics in this country

Regards
DR
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Those constituents who voted for the easiest deal in history. Have you never seen a circle before because you're obsessed with going round in them.
 


Pretty pink fairy

Pretty pink fairy

Banned
Jan 30, 2008
31,981
theonlymikey said:
Those constituents who voted for the easiest deal in history. Have you never seen a circle before because you're obsessed with going round in them.
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Pure crap to suit your agenda Mikey get a grip or call a office meeting and look at some flow charts to.take your mind off things
regards
DR
 


Baldseagull

Baldseagull

Well-known member
Jan 26, 2012
10,944
Crawley
JC Footy Genius said:
Same as every election and referendum on all sides then.

Every poll, bar one has the Tories ahead since Boris became PM, some giving them a double-digit lead.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_for_the_next_United_Kingdom_general_election
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A fan of opinion polls when it suits you, not so keen on the ones that show people would prefer to remain than leave though. Oh well, I am confident both Boris and Brexit will be put to us for selection, or not, fairly soon.
 












hans kraay fan club

hans kraay fan club

The voice of reason.
Helpful Moderator
Mar 16, 2005
61,274
Chandlers Ford
Baldseagull said:
But you are quite choosy over which promises you want upheld, if I can do the same, can I have the promise that we would be part of the free trade area, and that we would not leave without a deal?
You know the problem is that not all promises can be met, as some cancel out others. Yet you blame the people that point this out, and not the people that promised the impossible.
Given that there is no brexit that can fulfill all the promises, how do we decide which of them are to be kept and which are to be discarded?
You want to give the decision on that to the people that made the false promises, Johnson, Gove, Mogg etc. and ignore the wishes of the majority of the House of Commons, at some point you are going to have to accept that you are not wanting democracy, you just want to dress up your preferred outcome as democratically reached, when it isn't.
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Tremendous post this.

Looking forward to the reply.
 


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SollysLeftFoot

New member
Mar 17, 2019
1,037
Bitchin' in Hitchin
Pretty pink fairy said:
That's still different to mine, flow charts Feeling bored ,got no friends , call an office meeting
regards
DR
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Anyone who says no one has friends, clearly has no friends

Pretty pink fairy said:
You're missing the point completely , MPs ignoring their constituents, to many agendas spoiling the broth people have had enough of the stalling but Parliament are oblivious despite warnings of political back lashes that would restructue politics in this country

Regards
DR
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MPs should be ignoring their constituents.

Said constituents surrendered their vote at polls. They can wait a few more years to then reconsider. That's literally the definition of representative democracy.

It's brilliant how brexiteers bark on about democracy, but have absolutely no idea what it actually means. You quite literally, the epitome, the stereotypical gammon...
 






pb21

pb21

Well-known member
Apr 23, 2010
6,290
JC Footy Genius said:
2017 manifesto commitments (the result of the referendum will be enacted.
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Glad you pointed that out.

The 2017 Tory manifesto explicitly states we will leave the European Union delivered by a smooth,orderly Brexit.

Furthermore, it also states "A strong and stable Union..."

A no deal brexit does neither of the above 2017 manifesto commitments that you care so deeply about.

You do not care about democratic results, you care about getting what want. You then dress that up as democracy and go riding around on your made up up ramshackle high horse getting all indignant at people who actually do care about the democratic process.
 


Pretty pink fairy

Pretty pink fairy

Banned
Jan 30, 2008
31,981
SollysLeftFoot said:
Anyone who says no one has friends, clearly has no friends



MPs should be ignoring their constituents.

Said constituents surrendered their vote at polls. They can wait a few more years to then reconsider. That's literally the definition of representative democracy.

It's brilliant how brexiteers bark on about democracy, but have absolutely no idea what it actually means. You quite literally, the epitome, the stereotypical gammon...
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I'm sorry that you couldn't accept a democratic vote but bleating on endlessly about how hard done you are doesn't get my sympathy vote ,you need to let go and get on with your life , nothings changed LEAVE MEANS LEAVE
Regards
DR
 


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Lever

Well-known member
Feb 6, 2019
5,369
Pretty pink fairy said:
I'm sorry that you couldn't accept a democratic vote but bleating on endlessly about how hard done you are doesn't get my sympathy vote ,you need to let go and get on with your life , nothings changed LEAVE MEANS LEAVE
Regards
DR
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In other words the same facile 'You lost, get over it' slogan. Why not think a little more deeply before replying? You can do it!
 




JC Footy Genius

JC Footy Genius

Bringer of TRUTH
Jun 9, 2015
10,568
Baldseagull said:
It wasn't fair because of illegal spending, illegal use of data, illegal harvesting of data, illegal donations, illegal collaboration and most of all, because so much of the campaign to leave was untrue, and you know this, which is why you have dropped the words "free and fair" when you say we should respect the results of elections.
There was no plan, there is no plan, except no deal, which was explicitly stated as not a possibility by the Leave campaign, I don't understand why leavers get so triggered by remainers when it is clear that the Vote leave politicians conned you.
The only argument that leavers have for legitimacy of no deal, is that the public were warned it could be pretty shitty, by the Remain campaign.
You are absurd.
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Considering the big spend advantage, the government machine, UK, European, global political establishment, the vast majority of big business all backing remain it's quite frankly pathetic to whine on about how unfair the referendum was.

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Also a bit rich for someone who parroted the taxpayer-funded bullsh*t by HM treasury about an imminent Brexit recession immediately after the vote, to complain about misleading people.
 






GrizzlingGammon

GrizzlingGammon

Well-known member
Dec 15, 2018
1,789
JC Footy Genius said:
Considering the big spend advantage, the government machine, UK, European, global political establishment, the vast majority of big business all backing remain it's quite frankly pathetic to whine on about how unfair the referendum was.

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Also a bit rich for someone who parroted the taxpayer-funded bullsh*t by HM treasury about an imminent Brexit recession immediately after the vote, to complain about misleading people.
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A bit rich from someone who repeats the right wing media headlines. Don't forget that the pound will crash. That never happened, did it....?
When you talk about misleading people, yes, they got some predictions wrong.
The leave campaign was just outright lies. Many people still quote some of the lies as facts.
 
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JC Footy Genius

JC Footy Genius

Bringer of TRUTH
Jun 9, 2015
10,568
Baldseagull said:
But you are quite choosy over which promises you want upheld, if I can do the same, can I have the promise that we would be part of the free trade area, and that we would not leave without a deal?
You know the problem is that not all promises can be met, as some cancel out others. Yet you blame the people that point this out, and not the people that promised the impossible.
Given that there is no brexit that can fulfill all the promises, how do we decide which of them are to be kept and which are to be discarded?
You want to give the decision on that to the people that made the false promises, Johnson, Gove, Mogg etc. and ignore the wishes of the majority of the House of Commons, at some point you are going to have to accept that you are not wanting democracy, you just want to dress up your preferred outcome as democratically reached, when it isn't.
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I am very specific about the No 1 promise I want to be upheld. To enact the result of the referendum which all remainers believed in before the result was to leave. It is for the government and parliament to decide how we leave, we all have our preferences, but leave we must.

You only accept a majority view when it suits you as you are fine with the EU ignoring the overwhelming majority in the HoC who have rejected the deal that the EU insists is the only option. Johnson, Gove Mogg etc insist the deal must change which represents the view of the HoC. If we can't agree a deal the legal default position is to leave without one. As it says in the government manifesto ... no deal is better than a bad deal.
 




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